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Re: BVI Impounding boats
[Re: BEERMAN]
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11/23/2020 05:23 PM
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Just read through this thread and Jason I agree "2 miles" is quite a distance with local knowledge (St Thomas owner). The author of the email might have been guestimating distance from the shoreline of St John? or actual border? Leinster Bay is 2nm from West End. I'm curious where the boat was approached. Either way, when people get jammed up like this do the stiff penalties usually get reduced? Unfortunate incident just sailing around.
Sounds like the sailors were held hostage until they paid the fine and signed an admission of guilt. No way it gets reduced now.
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/24/2020 09:31 AM
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Maybe they should have told CBP they had symptoms for covid. Would CBP really want them coming ashore at that point?
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/24/2020 09:33 AM
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Maybe they should have told CBP they had symptoms for covid. Would CBP really want them coming ashore at that point? That was the part that got me...we want to protect our borders but come ashore for 27 hours and hang out...
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/24/2020 01:56 PM
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Maybe they should have told CBP they had symptoms for covid. Would CBP really want them coming ashore at that point? That was the part that got me...we want to protect our borders but come ashore for 27 hours and hang out... They should consider themselves lucky they weren't forced to quarantine at their own cost for 14 days, tested, and then released. The original cost of quarantine for non-belongers was in the $7k each range for security, lodging, and food.
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/24/2020 03:23 PM
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I can’t imagine getting escorted back to port and going to jail and then calling your bank and asking them to wire $20,000 because you accidentally crossed the boarder in the water by two miles. It seems like the OP is just taking it in stride. It’s such an unbelievable situation. It’s called extortion.
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 09:19 AM
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Such bad PR. So legally the boat captain brought the boat into BVI waters, but he has no money and the 2 older couples probably had no clue as to the location of the line between the 2 countries but they are being pressured into paying money to get released.. Full scale war between USA and BVI will not end well. Bring in the Navy seals to settle the score.
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 09:32 AM
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 09:35 AM
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I am a big believer in Hanlon's Razor and believe that is what is happening here. Regardless, this is a terrible situation for those "incarcerated" and for the BVI in terms of public relations. But it certainly reinforces my decision to relocate my boat after almost 20 years in the BVI...
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 09:38 AM
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One wonders, is there an email address that US tourists could send an email to, to protest this?
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 10:15 AM
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A long long time ago I can still remember how That sailing died how it used to make me smile And I knew if I had my chance That I could make those people dance And maybe they'd be happy for a while
But November made me shiver With every post that gets delivered Bad news on the internet I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried When I read about his widowed bride Something touched me deep inside The day the sailing died
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 01:46 PM
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When they seized the boat, did the leader of the boarders say, "Aargh! Either join me crew or walk the plank?" Because it kinda looks like that type of scenario to me. "As soon as I realized that I had tacked too far, I found myself off the pirate coast of Somalia!"
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 02:24 PM
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I prefer "Occam's razor"....the simplest solution is usually the correct one
I would imagine BVI got tired of people not respecting the exclusion zone and found a few boats to make an example of to deter others.
At the end of the video the woman indicates 1 of the crew was supposed to be in quarantine in PR yet went out on the boat... Regardless people tacking through th channel in no way or form can contaminate the citizens of the BVI.
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 03:27 PM
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I prefer "Occam's razor"....the simplest solution is usually the correct one
I would imagine BVI got tired of people not respecting the exclusion zone and found a few boats to make an example of to deter others.
At the end of the video the woman indicates 1 of the crew was supposed to be in quarantine in PR yet went out on the boat... Regardless people tacking through th channel in no way or form can contaminate the citizens of the BVI. Agree...but once they dragged them to shore (which I don't think was the best idea) and found out they are probably making them all quarantine
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 03:32 PM
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Dept of State Travel Advisory for the BVI Level 3 – Reconsider Travel: Avoid travel due to serious risks to safety and security. The Department of State provides additional advice for travelers in these areas in the Travel Advisory.
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 03:49 PM
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I doubt they had many people violating the exclusion zone in sailboats. Regardless a 500 or 1000 dollar fine would be sufficient. A daytime exclusion zone serves no function at all as far as Covid. At night perhaps but it would only be people intending to go ashore and or remain illegally in the BVI that would present a problem. Mostly that would be locals shopping and avoiding import duties. I once spent the night in water lemon cay. A friend brought a handheld nightscope. It looked like a highway running from the USVI and BVI. I was surprised there were not collisions with all those boats and no lights! G
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Re: BVI Impounding boats
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11/27/2020 04:21 PM
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There has been a lot of talk about the "exclusion zone". That zone is for BVI based boats in BVI waters. They closed this area to their own boats when they reopened recreational boating to people already legally in the territory. This "exclusion zone" has nothing to do with the US side of the Narrows or anything to do with US boats. They do not have the jurisdiction to exclude US boats or any other boats legally in US waters from transiting the US side of the narrows. They do have the right to close the border and the boundary. The problem with these two incidents is not that the boats were stopped. The problem is the manner in which they were handled afterward. These are not ISIS fighters invading their borders. They weren't even the belongers that smuggled in the covid infected strippers. Which caused an outbreak that forcing their whole territory to shut down. They were two recreational boats out for daysails that made a bad decision to sail across the border. In normal times both of these incursions would have been considered innocent passage. Measured response of a stern warning would have been appropriate. This has and will continue to be an international incident. It will affect the goodwill of our whole industry. Both US and BVI based sailing will be affected by this decision. There are no winners in this.
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