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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
[Re: Jeannius]
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We had to do this one trip when we realized the boat hook we had was broken. Easy in a Cat - I'd only do it if necessary on a mono since it would be much easier to get the prop wrapped.
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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sail2wind said: several years ago I saw Mike Kneafsey pick up a ball single handed mid ship, starboard side, nice pick up. Evan it’s not that hard with a mono. Had to do it when our designated picker upper dude couldn’t get out of his bunk because he was in de-tox from the night before. This was in the Grenadines where you don’t pick up a pennant you pick up the ball. Rig a long line from the bow cleat – pull up next to the ball slooooooowly - slip it in to the eye and casually walk to the bow and cleat that end. Take a bow. If it doesn’t go that way swear a lot and go to a different location and repeat. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Banana.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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tmsxmsails said: Thanks for the replies. I'm a little surprised that there are so many warnings about getting the mooring lines wrapped in the prop.
Obviously, I haven't done this before and, in fact, I have virtually no experience backing a large monohull. I understand that the boat doesn't steer very well in reverse but it seems like, if I'm backing slowly towards the ball, I'd have very little chance of overrunning it and getting things in the prop. Even if I really overcook it and back into the ball too fast, I just take it out of gear and wait until I drift back off of it right?
The big risk that I was expecting was if I had the the bow line led back along say, the starboard side and I back up to the ball and tie onto it, but the boat turns such the ball is on the port side. Is there a chance I could get hung up and not be able to "unwind"? It seems like it would blow around but maybe it could get stuck?
I really want to try this but I want to get as many tips as possible before I do.
Thanks,
Tom A little clarification. I never said “Back into a mooring with a mono”. That would be dumb. What sail2 and I where referring to is the practice of slowly pulling abeam of the mooring and grabbing it. DO NOT TRY TO BACK INTO IT
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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Because a mono doesn't maneuver as easily. IF you get the line caught in the prop, damage done could be the same regardless of the boat, its just easier on a cat to keep it where you want.
The other issue can be getting it caught around the keel. Wind plays a factor as well.
Best bet is to pick it up from the bow - only reason we've ever picked up from the stern (as close to port or starboard side as possible) was due to us not having a usable boat hook.
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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sail2wind said: several years ago I saw Mike Kneafsey pick up a ball single handed mid ship, starboard side, nice pick up. Kneafsey also always had a Wichard snap shacke rigged, which makes singlehanding easy. Once you have the pickup done you can rig a safety line to the top of the ball at your leisure.
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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Tortola7 said:sail2wind said: several years ago I saw Mike Kneafsey pick up a ball single handed mid ship, starboard side, nice pick up. Kneafsey also always had a Wichard snap shacke rigged, which makes singlehanding easy. Once you have the pickup done you can rig a safety line to the top of the ball at your leisure. Question, it seems if your single handling and your connected to a mooring ring with the Carbine hook and the trades are blowing, how can you disconnect it without forward motion to slacken the line?
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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sail2wind said: with much difficulty So basically your better off running a line through the eye of the mooring so it can be released when you untie it from the cleat which makes the carbine only effective when you have someone at the helm.
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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sail445 said: I cleat a 15' dock line on the bow and motor up to the mooring until I'm almost at a stop, pop it in neutral and run up with the boat hook grab the pennant and slide the dock line through the eye of the pennant. Works perfect 99% of the time even in high winds. Regarding this technique; so in the end, you have your line cleated on one end, passed through the eye of the mooring line, and then cleated on the same or another cleat? I was told not to do that as it can create a sawing motion and abrade the mooring loop (both I'm sure but they were worried more about the mooring loop). This would make for easy drops since you just uncleat one end and drop the loop. Is the sawing risk only if you run from one cleat to another side (making a V/bridle)? Is it better to run back to the same cleat so that you have more of a straight run on your line? Thanks, Tom
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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This is my favorite way to pick up mooring pennant. This technique starts @ about 1:15 DO NOT TRY THIS @ HOME! My daughter is wearing the yellow headband.... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
I always take life with a grain of salt. Plus a slice of lemon, and a shot of tequila
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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tmsxmsails said: Why is there more risk of damaging the prop on a mono than on a cat? Because most sail drive props are rubber hub, outboard style, props. When they are wrapped, the hub gets sun and the prop fails permanently soon thereafter. Most monohulls have props that are not rubber hubbed and are, this, less likely to suffer expen$ive damage.
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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Anonymous said:tmsxmsails said: Why is there more risk of damaging the prop on a mono than on a cat? Because most sail drive props are rubber hub, outboard style, props. When they are wrapped, the hub gets sun and the prop fails permanently soon thereafter. Most monohulls have props that are not rubber hubbed and are, this, less likely to suffer expen$ive damage. Make that "spun".
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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12/27/2013 07:38 PM
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Anonymous said:tmsxmsails said: Why is there more risk of damaging the prop on a mono than on a cat? Because most sail drive props are rubber hub, outboard style, props. When they are wrapped, the hub gets sun and the prop fails permanently soon thereafter. Most monohulls have props that are not rubber hubbed and are, this, less likely to suffer expen$ive damage. That’s I tidbit of worthless information from our anonymous friend. Let’s see, with a line fouled in the prop we may have damaged the hub on a saildrive propeller and you have a couple hundred pressing a new one in. OR On a straight inboard found on most mono’s The same line bends the shaft that takes out the cutlass bearing, maybe bends the strut and may have bent the rudder post. A couple thousand at least. Geeez
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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01/04/2014 09:47 PM
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Richieg1g said: Evan, the guy in Capt Rick's video at Anegada had several mooring balls near the stern and thought it was just fine. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> That's true. Hopefully he has since taken up Playing with rubber ducks in the tub <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Backing up to a mooring ball?
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I have a better idea. I will go with you next trip and be your mooring girl picker upper! Leave the fancy tricks to the locals. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" />
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