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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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I can't wait to see the protocols they have in place for the cruise ships.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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More information HereUnlike cruises in Europe, passengers will NOT be limited to ship shore excursions, but may disembark on their own.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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The ONLY good news in this, is that they all have to be vaccinated. So maybe they will drop the protocols for other vaccinated visitors. I will never welcome anyone off a cruise ship.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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The ONLY good news in this, is that they all have to be vaccinated. So maybe they will drop the protocols for other vaccinated visitors. Cruise ship people are really the scourge of the earth, and I just can't be polite to them. I wouldn’t go so far as branding them as the scourge of the Earth. Most are basically armchair explores and adventurers who never left their jobs and homes to venture on their own, if you notice they wear tropical shirts have smiles on their faces and really believe they have succeeded in becoming the adventurers they always dreamed of.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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I agree with you Jason. Absolutely ridiculous to think there will be total isolation within a bubble. Do u mean to tell me that cab drivers, restaurant staff, Pier Park businesses will have NO contact with cruise passengers? I believe the Pier Park is open to the public. Unbelievable. From a health perspective, cruise ships have carried illnesses for many years, including the Norwalk Virus (Norovirus) and others.
It seems to be very unfair to visitors and hospitality businesses that the cruise ship visitors should be treated differently than land based visitors. The government is foolish indeed to think the residents will not be exposed.
Well it seems people are catching on to this worldwide Hoax, they even have the Aborigines in Australia’s outback wearing masks
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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The ONLY good news in this, is that they all have to be vaccinated. So maybe they will drop the protocols for other vaccinated visitors. Cruise ship people are really the scourge of the earth, and I just can't be polite to them. Well then I guess you can't be polite to me or even Carol as we are both cruise ship people. You obviously know KNOTHING about us. We have chartered in the BVI and stayed in villas as well. we find cruising to be a great way of seeing places we might want to go visit for a longer stay. Everyone does not have to follow your choice of vacation. You know where you can go as far as I'm concerned. Yes Carol, if you feel the need to delete this go ahead but her comments are outrageous and insulting and should be deleted as well.
[color:"red"] FRAN[/color] "Yes I am a pirate, 200 years too late"
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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03/20/2021 01:25 PM
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“It’s the cruise ship industry I dislike. The industry is rife with corruption, flags of convenience and abuse of its workforce. In addition they do everything possible to circumvent pollution and environmental laws to keep costs low. Bonuses are paid for keeping costs low leading to illegal dumping and use of lower cost higher polluting fuels. There are plenty of sources to read up on how the industry operates. They even blatantly falsified records and health reports to operate on schedule and avoid quarantine issues with covid.“
Add to what George outlines, negative cultural and economic impact. In the BVI, cruise shippers spend next to nothing and have chased away higher-spending charter and land guests. As noted, the only beneficiaries are government coffers and one family.
We ARE responsible for the decisions we make. Cruise ship passengers support the choices made by that industry.
Sailboats, on the other hand, have minimal environmental impact. Their spending supports local businesses and jobs. Were pump-out facilities available, their impact would be even less, but the government instead chose to build a giant cruise ship pier.
How do we travel? We stay at our own house, where we minimize the environmental impact. We have no air conditioning, no pool, no dryer, no dishwasher, no TV and no stereo. We use rainwater (no de-sal), gravity-fed without pressurization, and a well-functioning septic system. We have a small, efficient fridge, ceiling fans and LED lights. One advantage is a low electric bill, but since power in the BVI is generated from imported diesel, minimizing consumption is smart environmentally. We would love to go solar.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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We are getting very far afield of the original post.
I am quite surprised that there has not been any reaction to the (apparent) fact that cruise ship visitors will not have to quarantine at all? Perhaps the BVI government is going to change the entrance requirements to do away with quarantine for those that are fully vaccinated?
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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Carol, there has been plenty of reaction on FB. But that's not all - now the $175 fee will not cover quarantine transportation, yet they fail to say what it will cost or how arrangements will be made. So potentially cruise shippers will be coming in with no test, no fee, while homeowners on outer islands, even fully vaccinated, have to quarantine for four to fourteen days and pay thousands for Good Seal approved land and water taxis. They did say they would take groups of ten to Jost for no extra fee.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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As I said, I was surprised there was no such reaction here. I think that is by far the biggest complaint that other visitors could have. Cruise ship visitors will come back to the BVI at some point, that is a given. But to allow them access without a quarantine is inequitable.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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Testing, they are requiring before boarding the plane, yes. But I guess not on arrival. Quarantine, apparently not.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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Actually, probably it is before boarding the plane. To enter into St Maarten, one has to have a Covid test 2 to 5 days before, depending on the type of test, before getting on the plane to go to St Maarten. Current requirements to go to SXM do not require any test AFTER arriving on island.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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706--It depends. I believe this cruise that is sailing from St. Maarten does not have those requirements, which as I understand it are CDC requirements, which only apply to ships sailing from US ports. I think that those requirements will be lifted sometime this year for ships sailing from US ports also. It is just way too restrictive to make sense.
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Re: Don't shoot the messenger..
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Here is the Premier's statement that describes the "bubble concept" for cruise ship passengers that is supposed to separate passengers from residents but I don't understand how that would actually work. Does anyone know if that's an industry term with real definition behind it?
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