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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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I am very sorry that this happened to you. However, I would like to point out that you were not 'robbed', in the legal definition of that, as a robbery involves a taking by force from the person.
With regard to the incident in question, do you know for sure they used the keys to get into the car? Many cars are very easy to get into, without the keys. Did they put the keys back in a different spot, and that's how you knew? As far as the thieves not taking the cameras and credit cards, I think you are actually lucky there. If they were going to steal them, think they would have taken them to begin with. I know that STT is different than ST. Maarten, but one never leaves anything in the car in St. Maarten, that they don't want stolen. Your note is a cautionary tale to be careful, wherever you are..
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/07/2014 07:23 PM
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Carol
Seriously?
They were robbed
If you steal things from me without my knowledge or permission ...that is robbery.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/07/2014 07:48 PM
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capndar said: Carol
Seriously?
They were robbed
If you steal things from me without my knowledge or permission ...that is robbery.
Yep. According to Merriam Webster...they were most definitely robbed. rob (verb) : to take money or property from (a person or a place) illegally and sometimes by using force, violence, or threats Doesn't specify that it is always by force...just sometimes. I'm pretty certain it's illegal to go into someone's shorts, take their keys, open their trunk, and take their money without their permission. Top reason I never leave my purse in my office unattended.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/07/2014 08:04 PM
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Websters is not always correct. Robbery in Florida and Virginia definitely requires force, threat or violence. Didn't say it wasn't illegal, said it's not robbery.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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Again, Poohwear, suggest you look up the definition of robbery in New York state.
Glad your camera was not stolen. Perhaps things are changing for the worse on STT..
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/07/2014 08:27 PM
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Carol_Hill said: Websters is not always correct. Robbery in Florida and Virginia definitely requires force, threat or violence. Didn't say it wasn't illegal, said it's not robbery. True dat! Virginia requires force or threat of force. BUT, the lesson here might be that just because you think you are on a deserted beach doesn't mean you're not being watched. I've had stuff stolen through the years on St John....the only way the thief found the stuff was if he was watching me hide it. I don't move things from the passenger section of the vehicle to the trunk when I arrive at my destination, too me that is giving anyone watching the idea that there is something of value being stored. No matter where you are don't let your guard down! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Cheers.gif" alt="" /> oops meant to also say sorry Poohwear!!! Karma will bite them in the azzzz!
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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Agreed, never put stuff in the trunk after you arrive at your destination. Wherever you are in the world.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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I imagine the reason Carol pointed out the definition of robbed is because she expected a different story based on the topic. It doesn't make it any less of an issue.
I do think you are very lucky to have not had then take anything but the cash. Only reason for that is they probably didn't want to deal with selling stolen goods. Certainly can make it easier to catch someone. And while hopefully you reported this, much harder to catch people that only took cash versus items that could be more easily identified.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/07/2014 10:19 PM
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NCSailor said: Carol is right. Robbery requires force or the threat of force. What occurred here was a theft. These are common law definitions that go back to medieval England. C'mon everyone knows what was meant by "robbed".
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/07/2014 11:33 PM
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RickinAtlanta said:NCSailor said: Carol is right. Robbery requires force or the threat of force. What occurred here was a theft. These are common law definitions that go back to medieval England. C'mon everyone knows what was meant by "robbed". No Rick, I honestly expected to read about frightened people with hands up while someone threatened them with gun, machete', whatever. I feel very bad for the OP, but in this neck of the woods there is a very distinct difference between theft and robbery. Regional differences? Who knows, but I read the Subject the same way Carol did. Having anything taken from you is never good, but having it taken from you at gunpoint is much worse. Again, not trying to minimize what happened to the OP, just sayin......
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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I really do understand the difference and the definition of robbery. My question is how would you then describe your experience? You don't say "I was thieved" but "I was robbed" sounds more fitting. Again, not disputing the terms of what constitutes robbery but how to explain what happened to others.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/08/2014 08:55 AM
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sccpm said: I really do understand the difference and the definition of robbery. My question is how would you then describe your experience? You don't say "I was thieved" but "I was robbed" sounds more fitting. Again, not disputing the terms of what constitutes robbery but how to explain what happened to others. A subject like: "Money stolen from car trunk at Hull Bay" would have been a better and less frightening description.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/08/2014 09:40 AM
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CptCook said:sccpm said: I really do understand the difference and the definition of robbery. My question is how would you then describe your experience? You don't say "I was thieved" but "I was robbed" sounds more fitting. Again, not disputing the terms of what constitutes robbery but how to explain what happened to others. A subject like: "Money stolen from car trunk at Hull Bay" would have been a better and less frightening description. Geez. It is common for people to say "I was robbed!". The OP clearly explained this situation in the remainder of his post. Not only did he have his cash stolen, now he gets lectured from the TTOL crowd. Doug
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/08/2014 10:49 AM
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Anonymous said: Geez. It is common for people to say "I was robbed!". The OP clearly explained this situation in the remainder of his post. Not only did he have his cash stolen, now he gets lectured from the TTOL crowd. Doug Doug, that is the point exactly. It is NOT common to say "I was robbed" everywhere unless there were weapons and/or threats of violence involved. In many parts of the US and the rest of the world, saying "robbed" is not the same thing a saying "had XXXX stolen". Robbed is much more inflammatory and frightening. And the islands don't need any more bad press. Your understanding, idiomatic phrasing, etc, are your realities, not everyones'. And I am sure everyone here feels bad that Poohwear had their money stolen. Not lecturing at all, just sharing different interpretations and perceptions about word choice.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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05/08/2014 03:38 PM
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OK. I understand now. It's more important to avoid disparaging the reputation of the USVI than to report a theft on TTOL. it's not a surprise that STT has a very high crime rate. I want to thank the OP for his post instead of lecturing him. Aside from the origin of the word, here is a definition from Merriam-Webster.
Robbed: to remove valuables without right from a place (2): to take contents of (a receptacle)
OP: thank you for the post and I am very sorry that happened. It is helpful for most of us to learn of these events.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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Anonymous said: OK. I understand now. It's more important to avoid disparaging the reputation of the USVI than to report a theft on TTOL. it's not a surprise that STT has a very high crime rate. I want to thank the OP for his post instead of lecturing him. Aside from the origin of the word, here is a definition from Merriam-Webster.
Robbed: to remove valuables without right from a place (2): to take contents of (a receptacle)
OP: thank you for the post and I am very sorry that happened. It is helpful for most of us to learn of these events. That's me causing trouble. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> Had difficulty logging in from my phone. Doug
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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Anonymous said: OK. I understand now. It's more important to avoid disparaging the reputation of the USVI than to report a theft on TTOL. it's not a surprise that STT has a very high crime rate. I want to thank the OP for his post instead of lecturing him. Aside from the origin of the word, here is a definition from Merriam-Webster.
Robbed: to remove valuables without right from a place (2): to take contents of (a receptacle)
OP: thank you for the post and I am very sorry that happened. It is helpful for most of us to learn of these events. LOL, I surrender Doug.... You have robbed me of my will to continue to try to explain this small semantic difference to you. Thanks for sharing your unfortunate experience Poohwear. Sharing things like that here help everyone be more aware and that is a good thing. I Hope the rest of your visit is/was great.
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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No worries. "Theft" is probably a better (more accurate) word, but in the common vernacular, "robbed" gets the point across and Merriam-Webster agrees with me. This isn't the first time that I've participated in a crime related thread on TTOL and perhaps I react too quickly when I perceive posters trying to downplay the incident...
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Re: Robbed today at Hull Bay, STT
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NCSailor said: Carol is right. Robbery requires force or the threat of force. What occurred here was a theft. These are common law definitions that go back to medieval England. Ok, since we are talking technicalities.... Where and why is the word "Testify" used in court?? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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