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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
[Re: Matt W]
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04/27/2022 07:40 PM
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There are not really any hidden obstacles in that area. Hard to understand what they might have hit. Perhaps poorly anchored in Deadman’s bay or broke off a NPS ball in the area. G
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
[Re: Matt W]
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04/28/2022 10:38 AM
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We were just passing Peter Island and saw the boat being towed out of Great Harbor with the port hull supported by float bags. I got some pictures 😢
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
[Re: MIDiver]
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Somehow came unmoored - sounds like pretty negligent behavior unless the mooring ball was damaged or they tried to anchor outside the field and we all know most charter boats don’t have enough chain for properly doing so. (Again, negligent). Reporting it stolen is ridiculous. If any part of the mooring ball had failed that should have been obvious when they engaged CBIC staff.
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
[Re: Matt W]
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04/30/2022 08:39 AM
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Wonder why they didn’t look for the boat - CIBC has vessels - unless of course it was dark before they “noticed” the boat was gone.
What would Moorings/Sunsail do in a situation like this - charge the charter group for damages incurred in grounding?
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
[Re: Husker]
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04/30/2022 09:14 AM
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Apparently the Sunsail boat was at Cooper and somehow became un-moored while crew was ashore. They reported the boat stolen and stayed the night ashore. It drifted to Deadman's bay and grounded. Got this from Moorings staff. Maybe its just me but I am constantly looking over at my boat while on land...maybe more than I checked on the kids when they were little. Surprising at Cooper where there isn't far to go. I guess i could set a remote anchor watch but not that paranoid (yet).
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
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Don't these boats have chips in them so they can be located with GPS? AIS would be an easy way to track the charter boats. Not sure the charter fleets have AIS transmit capability. VHF radio would need to be turned on for this to work. Anyone could track the boats location. "Automatic Identification System (AIS) is a system that provides real-time information such as tracking and monitoring for ships and other marine vessels designed to improve maritime safety. This system is comprised of transponders fitted into your boat that use short wave VHF radio signals to broadcast the vessel’s position. "
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
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Don't these boats have chips in them so they can be located with GPS? AIS would be an easy way to track the charter boats. Not sure the charter fleets have AIS transmit capability. VHF radio would need to be turned on for this to work. Anyone could track the boats location. "Automatic Identification System (AIS) is a system that provides real-time information such as tracking and monitoring for ships and other marine vessels designed to improve maritime safety. This system is comprised of transponders fitted into your boat that use short wave VHF radio signals to broadcast the vessel’s position. " A $20 device, like this https://www.amazon.com/Tracker-Vehicles-Magnetic-Tracking-Location/dp/B09TGM47SB will do the job. I put one on my boat (cost more like $120 back then). Worked perfectly. Still didn't stop a bunch of a******* from dropping anchor in Great Harbour JVD, going ashore, and letting the boat drift ashore. Did mean I could prove they did it though 
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
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05/02/2022 11:26 AM
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The "do not rent" lists at the rental car companies are brutal!
Since many of the companies are related --(Enterprise/Alamo/National) you could be "sol" if you need to rent a car since they share information.
Might behoove the charter companies to have an association in the BVI to protect themselves from this sort of mishap??
Great idea. I would like to submit the idiot who ran my boat onto Colquhoun blaming it on lack of programmed waypoints and curtains at the helm.
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
[Re: BoatyBall]
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05/02/2022 08:04 PM
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It is a very scary situation.
BoatyBall can confirm that the boat was on a first come first serve mooring the night before at Cooper. The boat did not pay for the mooring through the BoatyBall application. They paid Cooper Island Beach Club directly. Management at Cooper Island Beach Club confirmed the next morning that there was no damage to the mooring ball equipment that the boat was tied up to.
Please be safe out there!
Very interesting.
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
[Re: PA_Ron]
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Moot Point anyway. The Master in Command is always in total responsibility to properly secure the hull and maintain an adequate full time watch for the conditions and safety of the hull, cargo, passengers, and any of other property. The captain is fully liable here for failure to secure the vessel and complete failure to maintain an adequate watch for the conditions. Proof: "I have no idea what happened.. I guess someone stole the boat under my command". Full Liability would fall to the master in charge then the owner of the hull. 1.) Failure to secure the vessel. 2.) Failure to maintain a proper watch. Always read the contract from your underwriter. So are you saying that a boat with no crew in an approved mooring field in normal conditions needs to keep a watch?
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
[Re: Matt W]
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Not an anchor alarm, but something like the Garmin inReach would allow you to monitor the boat's position while you are ashore if you can't maintain eyes on it or a proper watch. Can share the tracking link with anyone. Ping's satellites for position every 10 minutes, and it has plenty of battery life. Just need wifi/cell service on your cell phone. Device is ~$350 and you can pay $15/month for the service. Believe there is a more expensive plan to ping more frequently, every 2 minutes. Also has SOS and texting features. There may be a more appropriate marine-type device that does something similar, I'm just not familiar with it. Concept would be the same. If the captain of the Sunsail cat were checking the tracking app every so often, they would have seen the boat adrift and could have taken action to organize a recovery. We just used the inReach for a backcountry trip in the Grand Canyon and it worked great. Friends/family had fun tracking our progress.
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Re: Sunsail cat aground at Dead Chest Island?
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Has anyone found a good anchor app that accurately monitors the boat? I have Anchor and Anchor Pro, but either I am struggling with proper placement of the anchor location (to accommodate for wind changes and swing) or GPS accuracy is inconsistent. I have had multiple false alarms during the night that obviously freak us out. I need to study up more to confirm that it’s not user error, but if you’ve had the same experience and have found a more accurate app, please share. I use Anchor Pro . You may need to increase the distance for GPS accuracy if that is what is alarming(set alarm noise different for GPS accuracy). Try to set anchor as soon as deploying, ideally from bow, but Late Set works nice as well. (This does not help when you leave boat and go ashore, as it is not tracking boat, but obviously tracking your phone). Also you can see track on the map on phone. When Anchored, I leave chart plotter on (dimmed) with tracker on so that you can readily tell if you are swinging and/or dragging.
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