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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: JulieandKarl] #37215
01/31/2015 06:07 PM
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The end of an era….The Government of Saint-Martin has decreed Arrete no001-06 no more nudity on Tintamarre. On our last cruise to Tintamarre Capt Philippe was approached by the Reserve Naturel and told no more nudity on Tintamarre. On the boat and around in the water ok..but a swimsuit or pareo to stroll the beach… we hope that Club O can convince them to grant an excemption for TIKO TIKO on the grounds of acquired rights over 16years…


Stupid and unenforceable. Hopefully sanity will prevail.


Totally enforceable. You can be arrested and convicted as a sex offender. How about that? Isn't that what would happen in your home beach if you walked around in public place butt naked? No one really had a problem when you were naked at Tintemarre when it was unused and pristine but things have changed and because of the increased use, it is now considered inappropriate. No one would mind if you sunbath nude but when people flaunt the nudity on others walking up and down the beach, it is simply different. Now days the naked walkers on the beach at Tintemarre are the laughing stock of the textiled users of the beach. If you only could see how ridiculous it looks! Sorry, this is from someone who was an avid naturist back in the days. Things have changed now and be glad you still have the beach at club O. There it works. A little discretion can go a long way

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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Carol_Hill] #37216
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There were also several other boats that did similar c/o trips to Tintamarre before Tiko Tiko. I believe one was called the Sigried (sp) and operated by 2 Australian guys. I can also remember an English woman who operated the boat we took to Tintamarre on our 1st visit in 1985. So, this has been a tradition for at least 30 years. For those who say "why can't they just stay on Club O's beach?", I reply it's for the same reason that those wearing swimsuits enjoy different scenery for a change. We've always enjoyed our c/o trips to Tintamarre, and hate to see them end. Undoubtedly, this will have an adverse effect on Philippe's business. Not many people will want to leave Club O's beach and don a swimsuit (we don't even pack them) just to walk a beach on an uninhabited island. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Mad.gif" alt="" />


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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: soualigacapt] #37217
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Geez Bob - what got you so fired up on this? Does it affect business one way or the other?

Of course the Arrete is enforceable - it has been enforceable since January 9, 2006 - and operators like Philippe will have little choice but to comply unless they get some different message. As to arrests and sex offender status that is obviously an extreme worst case scenario that has very little likely relevance to tourists. Do you seriously think that the Maritime unit of the Gendarmerie will be out there making arrests of tourists, as opposed simply to asking people to cover-up?

What I think is most interesting about what has happened are the comments of the Reserve folks to Philippe that it is OK to be nude on boat or in water. It suggests to me that the Reserve is not behind the new sign or the change - I would guess the sign and new policy comes from the Prefet - but I know nothing beyond posts here.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: SXMScubaman] #37218
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All of Orient Beach used to be welcoming to nudists. Then some big businesses got involved and decided to limit nudity to one end of the beach. The same seems to be now occurring on Tintamarre. You used to go out there an never see another boat. Why are nudists unhappy with having the areas they used to be able to enjoy (and which they are mostly responsible for the popularity of) taken away? Is that a serious question?

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Snorkeller] #37219
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Personally knowing the guys from the Natural Reserve , they are nice guys and really don't want to make waves. But they are just having to enforce the law. Again, there is a difference between swimming off the boat naked and being naked on the boat than walking up and down the beach in front of the people not into nudity. It's much less obvious. We had a boat in Great South Bay LI NY for 20 years in the 80's and 90's and my wife was topless all the time and no one even noticed.
Nudity does not affect my business at all but I do get questions about the fact that they may see nudity and some are concerned about this for the children.
Of course I explain that kids are the least affected by seeing topless and occasional nudity. it's the parents that make a big deal. If it is explained to children in a mature manner that nudity does not equate to sexuality, they will be come more worldly and isn't one of the reasons we travel to foreign places is to see something we don't see at home. This is really geared more toward topless than full nudity which we don't really see that often even on Tintemarre. The Tiko Tiko people are for the most part respectful and stick to their umbrellas and around the boat. Occasionally a customer of mine will swim to the beach and walk down to the Tiko Tiko people, strip down and hang out for a while. Then there are the occasional basic park" raincoat flashers" set loose on the beach that have to flaunt the fact that they are nude!
To be honest it is a bit uncomfortable with a boat fill of families when a 300 lb nude guy goes walking down the beach. I fell embarrassed for him! If he only knew how ridiculous he looks. I know it is not supposed to be about body image and all but people are people and they laugh or are disgusted.

I really do not know any boat operator going to Tintemarre that has complained and they are the only ones bringing cruse ship people to the beach.

As Philipe said, it is an "end of an era!" Good or bad it is what it is.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: soualigacapt] #37220
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I agree that it is the "walking the beach" that causes the most trouble. I always appreciate your posts and the information you provide.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Computerwise] #37221
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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: soualigacapt] #37222
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But, then, the 300 lb. guy would look less objectionable if he were wearing a Speedo? I know the officers are only doing their jobs, but as Jenni says, nudists, naturists or even textiled people aren't happy when something they look forward to is suddenly taken away. And, before someone says it, we're only visitors, "they" make the rules. I get that. The world is changing, and not always for the better. We've been going there for 30 years, many on here for even longer. And, I can remember many c/o options that have been taken away. Which makes one worry "What's next?". If I were mortified at the prospect of seeing a naked stranger, I wouldn't go where I knew they were, But, that's just me.


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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Biturbo] #37223
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In my opinion a 300 Lb naked guy walking on a beach with clothed people is an exhibitionist and a 300 Lb guy in a speedo is a guy in a speedo, Big difference!

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Biturbo] #37224
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But, then, the 300 lb. guy would look less objectionable if he were wearing a Speedo? I know the officers are only doing their jobs, but as Jenni says, nudists, naturists or even textiled people aren't happy when something they look forward to is suddenly taken away. And, before someone says it, we're only visitors, "they" make the rules. I get that. The world is changing, and not always for the better. We've been going there for 30 years, many on here for even longer. And, I can remember many c/o options that have been taken away. Which makes one worry "What's next?". If I were mortified at the prospect of seeing a naked stranger, I wouldn't go where I knew they were, But, that's just me.



Unfortunately, we can agree to disagree, My friends, family are not going to stop going to Tintamarre because we may see naturists, nor will the other French families that come on weekends & holidays.

There was a time 30 years ago when Orient was different & there was only Club Orient, today you have many local families sharing the beach. Should they not go to the beach because they don't want to see naturists walking up & down the beach at Orient?

We will be picnicking there tomorrow with French friends, there will be many other French families enjoying their weekend as well.

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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: soualigacapt] #37225
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In my opinion a 300 Lb naked guy walking on a beach with clothed people is an exhibitionist and a 300 Lb guy in a speedo is a guy in a speedo, Big difference!


You textiles have got to get over the idea that anyone else is dressing, or undressing, for your benefit. The 300lbs guy isn't interested in you looking at him (if he did care, he most likely wouldn't be so large), and therefore cannot be described as an "exhibitionist". He's just someone who doesn't like getting sand in his suit. How in the world is that harmful to anyone else?

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: jenniboston] #37226
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Perhaps the 300-lb man isn't as much an exhibitionist as the people staring at him are voyeurs.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: irish1223] #37227
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Perhaps the 300-lb man isn't as much an exhibitionist as the people staring at him are voyeurs.

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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: soualigacapt] #37228
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To be honest it is a bit uncomfortable with a boat fill of families when a 300 lb nude guy goes walking down the beach. I fell embarrassed for him! If he only knew how ridiculous he looks. I know it is not supposed to be about body image and all but people are people and they laugh or are disgusted.


Well gosh Bob, I bet whoever that was really cares that you thought he looked ridiculous. I sure hope I look good enough to meet your standards of beauty. Maybe you can tell me if my wife is attractive enough to be seen in public, too.

I tell you what, I will make sure not to ever book your charter so you don't have to worry about my appearance. As an added bonus, I won't have to listen to any of your pompous lectures.

[color:"blue"]lets keep it civil and without threats or this discussion will be closed.
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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Dave_and_Jen] #37229
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I'm just glad I had the opportunity to enjoy Orient Beach and by extension, St. Martin, "back in the day".
Its seems to me corruption of the place has removed much of the charm that used to attract us there.
I think they can forget the sales pitch of "The Happiest Island"...that is a fraud now.
But, thanks for the memories. It was great while it lasted.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: TikoTiko] #37230
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We are also ones who have enjoyed the island for 25 years and sad to see the end. What has made it so special was not being corralled into the Club O beach. Spent many wonderful days on Tintamarre, Green Cay and other beachs on the island. This is what made St. Martin so special. I imagine soon respectful nude use of Happy Bay will be next to end. I guess what bothers us the most is we find these wonderful and beautiful secluded spots, offending no one and enjoy the naturist experience, than it becomes popular and now the naturists are the offenders.

Unfortunately when you add up the naturist dollars we barely are a few drops in the bucket so our opinions really don't count and worse not even respected.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: irish1223] #37231
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I have to tell you, it would seem that the Club O people always seem to THINK they are being stared at. I cannot tell you the number of times on this board I hear those who go nude saying how they think the people from the cruise ships are there to gawk.
Sometimes, people just like to walk the beach. I have NO desire to see the nudists nor am I there to gawk. The ship goes both ways between voyeurs and exhibitionists.
I couldn't care less about nude sunbathing in areas where I know I will encounter it.
But it really does irk me when I go somewhere NOT expecting to see it (IE ANYWHERE on the Dutch side where it is ILLEGAL) and encounter it. I don't care if it is EXPECTED on Cupecoy. It's on the Dutch Side and ILLEGAL.

I wonder how people would feel if I started taking pictures around Club O saying that I thought it was "expected".

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Carol_Hill] #37232
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Tintamarre is uninhabited, nudity has always been practiced there. There are no 'residents' to offend. For years, Tiko was the only boat that went there. Nudity or not has NO effect on maintaining the 'natural' state of the island. Ban boats from going there, or making campfires or whatever, or other things that actually have some EFFECT on the balance of nature. Banning nudity there is just plain government meanness, for no real purpose.
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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: soualigacapt] #37233
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The end of an era….The Government of Saint-Martin has decreed Arrete no001-06 no more nudity on Tintamarre. On our last cruise to Tintamarre Capt Philippe was approached by the Reserve Naturel and told no more nudity on Tintamarre. On the boat and around in the water ok..but a swimsuit or pareo to stroll the beach… we hope that Club O can convince them to grant an excemption for TIKO TIKO on the grounds of acquired rights over 16years…


Stupid and unenforceable. Hopefully sanity will prevail.


Totally enforceable. You can be arrested and convicted as a sex offender. How about that? Isn't that what would happen in your home beach if you walked around in public place butt naked? No one really had a problem when you were naked at Tintemarre when it was unused and pristine but things have changed and because of the increased use, it is now considered inappropriate. No one would mind if you sunbath nude but when people flaunt the nudity on others walking up and down the beach, it is simply different. Now days the naked walkers on the beach at Tintemarre are the laughing stock of the textiled users of the beach. If you only could see how ridiculous it looks! Sorry, this is from someone who was an avid naturist back in the days. Things have changed now and be glad you still have the beach at club O. There it works. A little discretion can go a long way


1. Naturists should care that they are a 'laughingstock'? Don't think so.

2. Sex offender? Doubtful?

3. 5 years ago you could go to Tintamarre on the Tiko Tiko and see maybe one other commercial boat. Now it appears others want in on Tiko's business and their 'textile' customers are uncomfortable with nudity. French palms greased. Stupid law. Greed ruins everything.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: JulieandKarl] #37234
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You are 100% incorrect, no one is greasing anyone's palms. That is ridiculous but you will believe anything I guess.

The French government could care less about the textile tourists on Tintamarre.

20-30 years ago there was no Orient Village, there was Club O & a sprinkle of beach cafés. Today there are French families that live & work & they aren't happy, maybe they should move back to mainland France so you can have your beach back?

What about the companies that offer both nude cruises & or textile cruises to Tintamarre. I wonder if they would agree with what you claim & think palms are buying greased. I know a few companies & we are all friends. Interesting.

C'est la Vie.

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Please don't tell us that cruise passengers go to Club O just to walk on this specific beach. They could very well walk on the other side of Orient if they are uncomfortable at the sight of naked people. This would imply of course that they wouldn't mind seeing topless women wearing strings (and some men too).

As far as taking pictures of naked people, this is clearly a violation of their privacy.
I don't violate anyone's privacy when I lay naked on the beach at Club Orient so I expect everyone to respect mine.
Respectfully.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Computerwise] #37236
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Scarred for life because a kid saw a nude person..are you kidding? Are any of those same kids playing violent video games, sexting, or seeing Viagra commercials or just watching the violent news. Kids are not scarred by nudity and usually within a few seconds totally ignore it. It would not be a surprise to visit location where there is nudity as you would be forewarned..


Huh? Was it not clear that I was playing the role of the outraged, over-protective parent? No reason to reply and argue, that person isn't really here to debate you.

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You are 100% incorrect, no one is greasing anyone's palms. That is ridiculous but you will believe anything I guess.

The French government could care less about the textile tourists on Tintamarre.

20-30 years ago there was no Orient Village, there was Club O & a sprinkle of beach cafés. Today there are French families that live & work & they aren't happy, maybe they should move back to mainland France so you can have your beach back?

What about the companies that offer both nude cruises & or textile cruises to Tintamarre. I wonder if they would agree with what you claim & think palms are buying greased. I know a few companies & we are all friends. Interesting.

C'est la Vie.


With all the talk of government corruption and incompetence on this board, is it surprising that one would assume some euros changed hands? We here in the US know who pays for the laws that get passed - we just call it lobbying. No offense meant to anyone specific or any specific boat operators. BTW I wasn't aware any French citizens live and work on Tintamarre since it is uninhabited. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />

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Please don't tell us that cruise passengers go to Club O just to walk on this specific beach. They could very well walk on the other side of Orient if they are uncomfortable at the sight of naked people. This would imply of course that they wouldn't mind seeing topless women wearing strings (and some men too).

As far as taking pictures of naked people, this is clearly a violation of their privacy.
I don't violate anyone's privacy when I lay naked on the beach at Club Orient so I expect everyone to respect mine.
Respectfully.

When you elect to be nude in public you have no expectation of privacy.

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Under French law, you have the absolute right to not have your picture taken without your permission, it doesn't matter whether you are nude or not.


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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: SXMScubaman] #37241
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Nude is not the point, I expect people to respect my privacy also when I'm dressed.

@Carol: Great minds think alike ..... at the same time.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: soualigacapt] #37242
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soualigacapt said:nudity does not equate to sexuality


I don't have a dog in this fight. But I do have an honest question.

There is another thread, called "at what age" did people discover. In it, Jeff Berger links to his everythingsxm site, where his story describes being in St Bart's ogling two 20 year old girls. Then the fear of arousal at Orient. These two situations seem fraut with overtones of sexuality. Or is it as individual as people? The reasons people chose naturism?


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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: BeachKitten] #37243
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soualigacapt said:nudity does not equate to sexuality


I don't have a dog in this fight. But I do have an honest question.

There is another thread, called "at what age" did people discover. In it, Jeff Berger links to his everythingsxm site, where his story describes being in St Bart's ogling two 20 year old girls. Then the fear of arousal at Orient. These two situations seem fraut with overtones of sexuality. Or is it as individual as people? The reasons people chose naturism?


Perhaps you should read that story again. Nowhere does Jeff say HE was ogling anyone. It was, in fact, the so-called 'conservative' person walking the beach who came back and mentioned the girls. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />, as is often the case. Jeff simply said they looked comfortable and that he and his wife decided to try it.

I can assure you that most people who choose naturism do not do so for sexual reasons. And I can also tell you that in all our years of going to the Club O section of Orient Beach, we have never noticed any one of the naturists 'aroused'. I'm sure it happens from time to time, but not often. We see that a LOT more on the textile side of the beach where someone thinks the little string they wear over their privates prevents that. But then again, naturists usually keep their eyes where they belong.


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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: soualigacapt] #37244
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I fell embarrassed for him! If he only knew how ridiculous he looks. I know it is not supposed to be about body image and all but people are people and they laugh or are disgusted.


The fact that you felt embarrassed for him, when he obviously did not feel embarrassed for himself, because he was simply enjoying a walk down the beach, says a lot more about YOUR character than about his.


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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: lcote] #37245
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Irks you to see anyone nude on the Dutch side..the places you are talking about have been de facto nude beaches for over 35 years. You know that and if it irks you, why are you visiting them knowing there might be nudes? Name me one person who has been dangered by a nude person. How about enforcing laws like getting all the crazy scooter guys off the road who endanger everyone and clean up the drug dealers for the sake of the residents and tourists alike!

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: irish1223] #37246
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Will never get my buisness.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: TikoTiko] #37247
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OP, where do you go from here? One of the big selling points of the Tiko Tiko is enjoying a day sans clothing at Tintamarre. If you do not come up with an alternative such as Happy Bay or the other side of Pinel then you are sunk. No pun intended. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Spook.gif" alt="" />



Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Pan] #37248
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It looks like Phillippe can still sail to Tintamarre but he has to tell his guests that they have to cover up if they set foot on land.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: Computerwise] #37249
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Irks you to see anyone nude on the Dutch side..the places you are talking about have been de facto nude beaches for over 35 years. You know that and if it irks you, why are you visiting them knowing there might be nudes? Name me one person who has been dangered by a nude person. How about enforcing laws like getting all the crazy scooter guys off the road who endanger everyone and clean up the drug dealers for the sake of the residents and tourists alike!


On my first few visits to St Maarten, I had NO idea that nudity was permitted on Cupecoy. Oh wait, it ISN'T.

As for it being illegal to take pictures, it is also illegal to be nude on the dutch side. So, why is ONE perfectly okay in your mind and the other not?

And btw, I don't walk the beach to Club O anymore because frankly, I don't care to see nudity. However, when I DID walk that beach, I can ASSURE you it was NEVER to see the nudists as I have to tell you, MOST of what I saw really NEEDED to be covered up.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: CarlosII] #37250
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We feel the same as Carlos II - "back in the day" we really looked forward to visiting St. Martin when we felt comfortable being nude on the Tiko and all of Orient Beach - but is seems the folks living on the island have ruined that - our last two visits have not been the same as the first 9 trips so we don't have any desire to spend our 5K or spend our valuable vacation time there again in the near future - with the attitude of the island folks why should we? But, thanks St. Martin, for the memories- it was fun while it lasted.

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: lcote] #37251
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Not permitted? Cupecoy has been nude since the early 80's. Never seen 1 policeman in 30 years of going there ask anyone to cover up. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Do all nudist look like super models, no, but who cares. They are enjoying themselves and the freedom to be without clothes. Maybe I don't like the clothes your wearing. Should I ask you to change? What is so offensive to you to see someone nude? The offensive part is the commercialization of the beach at Club O with no open area!

Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: irish1223] #37252
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I fell embarrassed for him! If he only knew how ridiculous he looks. I know it is not supposed to be about body image and all but people are people and they laugh or are disgusted.




The fact that you felt embarrassed for him, when he obviously did not feel embarrassed for himself, because he was simply enjoying a walk down the beach, says a lot more about YOUR character than about his.


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Re: END OF AN ERA [Re: TANDP] #37253
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We feel the same ras Carlos II - "back in the day" we really looked forward to visiting St. Martin when we felt comfortable being nude on the Tiko and all of Orient Beach - but is seems the folks living on the island have ruined that - our last two visits have not been the same as the first 9 trips so we don't have any desire to spend our 5K or spend our valuable vacation time there again in the near future - with the attitude of the island folks why should we? But, thanks St. Martin, for the memories- it was fun while it lasted.

You might want to learn to respect the island folks attitude. Its their island and you are just a visitor.

Re: Calm down people, please [Re: TikoTiko] #37254
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There are many reason why and why not to be nude. In reality that has nothing do do with this particular circumstance.

The reserve is the reserve to some extent. It has been used long before other business interest had an effect, not that is an exception, but that does not mean it is expected either. That does not make it right or wrong, either, it is a change!

SXM has and still is noted for the nude availabilities. Yes things change, for the good or worse is a matter of opinion. Places change, that is a fact of life everywhere.

This is not about voyerism, nudism, parading around or anything else really. When it is done, this particular situation is about a no problem for over many, many years, and now it is a problem for a part of the people that vist the particular reserve (it appears, but not for sure).

Both side have legit complaints, but the tone of this thread is not about legit complaints, but getting into something that is not, that is something else. And that is NOT RIGHT! There are legit opinions on both sides and each side need to ACTUALLY AND REALLY LISTEN to each other as both have legitmate and valid concerns, neither is absolute right or wrong.

This is a major change in policy, so yes there are changes that effect tourism and business on the island. Again things change everywhere.

If I had to make a guess and that is all it is (a guess) -- this change was made on a whim to some extent. If you want to protect a reserve then do it unilaterally and that will effect many other operations. But that is not was currently being reported - maybe that will change, who knows?

However the this thread is not now being about the situation, but something else completely!


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