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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/05/2015 06:24 AM
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There is also seasonal erosion at Orient. Seems to erode much more in Summer, though in recent years there has been more than I've ever seen. We first visited 37 years ago when there were no structures at all anywhere on Orient, just Pedro's little pushcart. It was one BIG nude beach then, but a few dozen people was a busy day.
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/05/2015 11:03 AM
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Beaches around the world have been growing and shrinking as a function of wind, weather, tides, currents, seasons, storms, etc. since time began. It is we humans that build something "permanent" on the shore expecting it to remain the same forever...and then complain when mother nature does what she has done for time immemorial...shift sand around at the shoreline constantly...
What a shoreline looks like on any given day is temporary...and WILL change! Enjoy what you find on any given day...
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/05/2015 11:05 AM
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Agreed, the sands change, yes. But I think the OP's point is that the building of the seawall, which is protecting Papagayo, has apparently caused a threat to some of the beach chalets. That is a different thing.
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/05/2015 01:36 PM
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Bill_S said: Beaches around the world have been growing and shrinking as a function of wind, weather, tides, currents, seasons, storms, etc. since time began. It is we humans that build something "permanent" on the shore expecting it to remain the same forever...and then complain when mother nature does what she has done for time immemorial...shift sand around at the shoreline constantly...
What a shoreline looks like on any given day is temporary...and WILL change! Enjoy what you find on any given day... Very well stated. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> And to all of these natural changes, don't forget to factor in mans invasion - dredging out, filling in, erecting beaches where nature never meant them to be, and all the other things we do to ourselves....... On Anguilla a couple of years ago I asked what was creating the havoc that was occurring on Shoal Bay East around Gwenns. Several Anguillans at different times and in different situations each told me the same thing - man wreaks his own havoc and sometimes this is what we're left with. Just sayin'....... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/05/2015 01:39 PM
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Agreed, they should have done more research with the design of what they did. Moving inland probably wasn't a big option for them though.
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/06/2015 10:17 PM
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EdB said: The beaches all over the island come and go. It's the same with Maho...some times there is a huge beach...other times it is just rocks. It's mother nature doing what mother nature does. There probably is nothing that Club O can do to change the way the ocean currents are. I've been going to the island for around 25 years now...and have seen huge beach at Orient...and other times it can be hard to put one row of chairs at points. Yes, that's all true. But that is not the case when it comes to the Papagayo part of the beach at Club O. For the past 15-20 years, this part of the beach has only gotten smaller. I have no proof, but I think it's possible that something happened when Hurricane Luis came through in 1995. At first it was very gradual and difficult to even notice, but it started getting smaller and smaller. By 2009, what was once 50 feet of beach (or more), was down to just 10 feet. By 2011 it was all gone.... the water had reached Papagayo. In 2013, Club O put rocks and boulders at the base of Papagayo's "front wall" in an attempt to protect the building. By 2015, the rocks could no longer hold back the ocean and Club O built the seawall (barrier) that was completed a few months ago. Now the water is working its way around the seawall (to the north), which is why I started this thread. Where (and how) will this end? I have photo's showing the beach in front of Papagayo. They show just how drastic the decline has been over the past 20 years or so. I can email them to anyone who could post them into this tread.
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/06/2015 10:30 PM
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gotaluvit said: Sea walls are well known to cause "flanking erosion" and the shape of the Papagayo wall is particularly bad as it causes wave reflection along the beach rather than back out to sea. Yes, well said. That is exactly what is happening.
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/14/2015 06:29 PM
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Here is a picture that Marcheall wanted me to post in this thread, of a picture which he says is probably from the early 90's. The difference in beach is dramatic, for sure! We were at Club O for the millenium and I do seem to remember a whole lot of beach at that time, in front of Papagayo..
Carol Hill
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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Carol, I think this picture says it all! Yes, the beach comes & goes but as can been seen here OB has mostly gone over the past 20 years. I have a picture somewhere of the volleyball net ON the beach with 3 or 4 rows of chairs around it. And I can remember talking to Andy & Cheryl about the impact of the cruise ship wharfs in Phillipsburg on the flow around the island. Nothing scientific & I only have vague memories of the conversation, but there was a feeling it began in a big way back then. I who loved OB rarely go there anymore - just not the same.
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/15/2015 09:12 AM
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I have no knowledge whether something that far away would affect Orient sand or not, but there definitely used to be a ton more sand there.
Carol Hill
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/15/2015 11:38 AM
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Modi said: I am wondering if that reef at the end of the southern most outcropping might be breaking down after all the pounding it takes, and changing the way currents flow into Orient Bay? Five years of views of Papagayos.
Thanks a lot for these self-explanatory pictures. They're worth a thousand words.
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Re: Club O Has A Beach Problem
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07/28/2015 08:19 PM
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Rich--Definitely do remember you guys, yes. Glad to see you here again..
As far as whether things have changed, yes and no. Club Orient itself is very little changed. There are changes on the beach, some people come and gone, but at it's heart, it is one of the best places on earth...
Carol Hill
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