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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: JimRosen]
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09/09/2015 02:47 PM
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Mr. Rosen,
With all due respect, we own at the Towers and they charge nothing to take one of their units back. The transfer fee to another entity is only $300.00 so your numbers seem way out of line to me.
If I were a company who had been dealing with an owner for many years, which it sounds is the case here, and that owner had been responsible in meeting his financial obligations to the timeshare entity over all those years, and IF the property being returned is a viable and profitable property, in the name of good will and good relations, I'd think the Belair would treat the manner in the same way as the Towers.
But that's just my opinion and I have no pony in this race.
Respectfully,
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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: jaialai17]
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09/09/2015 03:58 PM
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Jaialai,
I guess we can all look at the same thing and see it from different viewpoints.
In this particular situation, the timeshare property has long since been paid for in full and the actual timeshare entity -owner/developer/manager - continues to collect annual fees. Beyond this, many timeshares offered to act as reasonable agents should the need for a resale arise down the road, though in fairness, I don't know if this property made that assurance as part of their timeshare sales spiel or not.
As far as the owners having to sell the timeshares themselves, had so many of the St. Maarten properties in particular not made such a mess of the handling and treatment of their owners - ie Pelican and Caravanserai immediately come to mind - and the crazy AMFs so many have managed to inflate, it might not be so difficult to sell a unit as a resale and more would be able to do so. It's done but as often as not, people end up giving them away because most who have heard of timeshare in general, and in relation to ownership on St. Maarten in particular, few will buy there today unless the purchase is of particular value to them - like a back to back week to something they already have, or the price is so low, it feels like it's a gift.
IMHO, that's a lot different from people walking away from homes and mortgages they purchased and are unable to pay for and in the end, thanks to Freddie and Fannie - we end up paying for them. But again, that's just my opinion. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: JimRosen]
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09/11/2015 07:33 PM
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JimRosen said: I'm sorry that you feel $1,500 is too much but is below the average amount charged by timeshare resorts to take weeks back. Please call my office. I am more than happy to discuss your situation. Would be glad to talk to him,however I don't know his office number and he hasn't been employed at Belair in a few years. He used to be in charge of timeshare there. (I called timesshare relations @ Belair to get this info )
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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: Levale]
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09/12/2015 03:40 PM
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Levale said: Sapphire accepted our 2 weeks back with no charge. That nightmare is over! Lucky You !!
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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: turqwater]
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09/15/2015 09:56 AM
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I think the point was that ronwald didn't want to pay anything to give it back. Can't say that I blame him.
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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: turqwater]
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09/15/2015 10:54 AM
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turqwater said: Another option to get rid of your Belair week is to sell it for $1.00 and for you to also agree to pay the $575 transfer fee. Someone will snatch it up. I bought all my Belair weeks that way. It is a great place with a wonderful beach and pool, decent restaurant, long time caring staff, and loyal following. Being able to move your week for a nominal fee is also a plus. Good luck. I'd give it away and split the transfer charge with anyone who would take it !
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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: SXMScubaman]
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09/15/2015 11:02 AM
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SXMScubaman said: Just don't pay the MF or the turn in charge and walk away. What can the Belair do? Their hands are tied not being a US company. Yep, that's the next step. Attorney's I have talked to all said the same thing.Just trying to avoid the hassle and bad feelings, because we really do love it there. Just can't do the trip anymore for a few reasons.
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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: Tom]
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09/15/2015 03:25 PM
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Tom said: Just to clarify. Maintenance fees are paid to a New York City address for Belair (Paradise Beach Hotel). The key point is that it is a Sint Maarten business, governed by Netherland Antilles law. Yep,states right on the lease "This lease will be governed and construed according to the laws of the Netherland Antilles."
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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: SXMScubaman]
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09/18/2015 05:02 PM
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SXMScubaman said: Sounds about right. When we bought Flamingo in 1999 our two bed was 540. Now its around 1350-1400. $1,400??? You're sure? That's what mine were in 2013. $1,425.77 to be precise. $1,524.62 in 2014 and 2015. The 1st year we paid them, in 2001, they were $598.70. I just went through the MFs bills since day 1 to reply to your post. Same 2BR/2BA lock-out unit as yours.
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Re: Giving timeshare back to resort
[Re: plequerre]
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09/19/2015 11:34 AM
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plequerre said: I'm with Scuba on this............. We pay more every year for less options (# of flights) and less service. Ditto! And don't forget LESS SPACE! Crammed into smaller and smaller seats, so uncomfortable. Used to be you had to be able and willing to open an exit door to sit in exit aisle....now you just pay. My hubby is 6'2" and for our upcoming trip, they want to charge for regular aisle seats too! All For priveledge of being able to occasionally stretch a knee, and to have everyone else in your row disturb you going to/from potty, and every single person walking the aisle doing the same....along with the beverage cart. He'd rather suffer than give them more money.
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