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MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
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07/23/2016 11:02 AM
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I just saw on facebook that one of the large MarineMax powercats is hard up on Mosquito Rock... Visar on the scene.
M4000 "Lio Kai"
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: MrEZgoin]
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07/23/2016 01:14 PM
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We passed this AM. Boat appeared to be under power when it went aground based on position on the rock. It did not appear that the boat just drifted on to the rock as would be the case with loss of propulsion. [img] https://app.box.com/s/hfi90nrem3wv96gwv6z1asjkp467g4on[/img]
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: twoplates]
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07/23/2016 02:03 PM
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twoplates said:We passed this AM. Boat appeared to be under power when it went aground based on position on the rock. It did not appear that the boat just drifted on to the rock as would be the case with loss of propulsion. Agreed. We went by this morning as well. It's well up on the rocks. I suppose wave action could do it, but it doesn't look like it. [img] https://app.box.com/s/hfi90nrem3wv96gwv6z1asjkp467g4on[/img]
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: Chriskal]
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07/23/2016 05:18 PM
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<img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> Wow!
I really hope we find out what happened.
Matt
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: Manpot]
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07/26/2016 09:13 AM
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Must have been going fast as the boat was almost high and dry. Lots of rumours going around. If I hear anything I believe, will let you all know
Nick Willis "Mine Host" Leverick Bay Resort & Marina
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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07/28/2016 10:41 AM
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George, we saw the same thing. Almost like, "I don't know how to sail, but all you need to know on a power cat is how to turn it on." In our three months on island last winter, we saw lots of power cats whose captains had no idea how to moor, anchor or even navigate a mooring field. IMHO, they are an unfortunate development.
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: Chriskal]
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07/28/2016 11:05 PM
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I'm amazed at how irresponsible some people can be with someone elses VERY expensive property. I'm also still amazed at some of the boats we've been able to charter, but we've also brought them back in better condition then some paid captains have..
Matt
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: maytrix]
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07/29/2016 07:44 AM
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maytrix said: I'm amazed at how irresponsible some people can be with someone elses VERY expensive property. I'm also still amazed at some of the boats we've been able to charter, but we've also brought them back in better condition then some paid captains have.. I don't think the charterers are irresponsible. Most are doing the best they can with their limited knowledge and ability. If you want to place blame look to the charter companies that have almost no standards for competence. When you rent a 40' or larger powercat to someone who regularly boats a 24' bowrider you know there is a good chance the boat will sustain damage.
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: NCSailor]
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07/29/2016 09:08 AM
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NCSailor said:maytrix said: I'm amazed at how irresponsible some people can be with someone elses VERY expensive property. I'm also still amazed at some of the boats we've been able to charter, but we've also brought them back in better condition then some paid captains have.. I don't think the charterers are irresponsible. Most are doing the best they can with their limited knowledge and ability. If you want to place blame look to the charter companies that have almost no standards for competence. When you rent a 40' or larger powercat to someone who regularly boats a 24' bowrider you know there is a good chance the boat will sustain damage. Sorry, but I think there's a lot of irresponsibility. Our first charter, we took out a 47' Cat. Largest boat I had handled prior was 27' (both motor and sail). A friend was signed on as co-captain which is what allowed us to get the 47' (otherwise I was only qualified for the 43') but I did all the skippering. I knew my limits and stayed within them. We bailed on trying to go to White Bay our first day. We bailed on trying to dock at Soper's our 2nd. I think too many try to do things that are beyond their comfort level and that is when you get in to trouble. I knew my limits and stayed within them. Charter companies could probably do better in making sure charterers are qualified, but charterers also need to know their limits and be responsible as well. And no matter how small a boat someone might have skippered previously or how limited their ability there's no excuse for hitting a rock as visible as mosquito rock.
Matt
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: maytrix]
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07/29/2016 09:43 AM
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maytrix said:[/i][/b] And no matter how small a boat someone might have skippered previously or how limited their ability there's no excuse for hitting a rock as visible as mosquito rock. I disagree. There is no excuse for hitting a submerged rock (or reef or sandbar), let alone a "rock as visible as mosquito rock." Only bad seamanship. "$h!t happens" is not an excuse.
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: NCSailor]
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07/29/2016 12:32 PM
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NCSailor said: I don't think the charterers are irresponsible. Most are doing the best they can with their limited knowledge and ability. If you want to place blame look to the charter companies that have almost no standards for competence. When you rent a 40' or larger powercat to someone who regularly boats a 24' bowrider you know there is a good chance the boat will sustain damage. Um, I think that's a little harsh. I do wish "some" companies would be more careful about vetting clients, but the companies I represent do a pretty good job of it. The odd one slips through the cracks from time to time, but it sure doesn't happen that often and when it does, it almost always turns out that the person stretched the truth (more than just a little bit) on their sailing resume. Having said that, there are plenty of irresponsible charterers out there. Many of them will shop around until they are able to find someone who will charter them a yacht without a captain. I can't tell you how many charters I have turned away of the years due to insufficient experience. I like to be able to sleep at night. I could tell you stories that would raise the hair on the back of your neck about charterers who believe there is very little to boating and that they will be just fine. Just last Monday I had a guy who wanted to charter a Helia 44' cat. I asked if he had cat sailing experience. In a very condescending tone, he said (and I quote) ... "Honey, I have been sailing all my life, and probably longer than you've been alive. I am also the vice-commodore of our yacht club" My reply was, "If you've been sailing longer than I've been alive, you should have more than enough experience!" (I'll be 62 in September) I told him I would put the yacht on hold for him and send his paperwork within the hour. When he sent the completed paperwork back, on Thursday, it turned out that he was 36 years old and the largest sailboat he had ever sailed was a 26' monohull day-tripper (no auxiliary engine) but most of the time, he sailed a 16' Hobie Cat on Lake Michigan. The point is that some people really do not know their own limitations and feel entitled to do as they please with someone else's very expensive property. I didn't even bother sending the paperwork to the charter company. There was no point wasting their time as well as mine. He was quite annoyed when I told him he would have to hire a captain for the duration of his charter. When I suggested that perhaps he could make it a fun family thing if he hired an instructor and everyone could learn to sail a larger yacht together (instead of just hiring a regular captain) ... he hung up on me. I assure you I was in no way rude or condescending to him. I went out of my way to explain insurance requirements, safety standards, etc. He was having none of it. This sort of thing happens far more frequently than you might think. I probably get three or four inquiries a week from people with similar requests and similar sailing experience who truly believe they have sufficient experience to charter something that is far beyond their capabilities. But in the case of the MarineMax powercat, I'll wait to hear what actually happened. I am reluctant to condemn either the company or the skipper. A heart attack, seizure or other sudden onset illness are still within the realm of possibility until we hear otherwise.
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: Schwendy]
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07/29/2016 01:46 PM
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Schwendy said:What was the issue with going to White Bay? Entering and exiting? Too crowded for comfort? Swells? I'm curious since I really want to include it on my itinerary. It was crowded at the time we went, requiring us to anchor and being my first day handling a boat the size of my house, it was out of my comfort zone. I'm still not a big fan of it when crowded as it is tight and shallow in spots.
Matt
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
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07/29/2016 08:21 PM
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What I heard today about this incident was not good. It may not have been a charterer, experienced or experienced after all, but rather something inside and local..... let's see if the news eventually comes out.......
Safe and enjoyable boating.
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
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08/01/2016 09:48 AM
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Yachtmaster said: What I heard today about this incident was not good. It may not have been a charterer, experienced or experienced after all, but rather something inside and local..... let's see if the news eventually comes out....... Still waiting to hear more!
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
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08/03/2016 12:06 PM
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BilgeBoss said: I think the sailing industry is not keeping up with necessary technology. If a tesla can drive itself why not a power cat. If auto driving cars are supposed to cut down on accidents why not rental boats? I sail because I like to sail, trim sails, ect. If you drive a power cat you just want to get 'there'. If any of you entrepreneurs want to get this going just PM me. NOT. But think of the idea. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> They can! It all comes down to costs and complexity. A Tesla is on the order of 4 times the cost of other 4 seat cars. Add the marine environment and the cost would be extraordinary. Planes fly themselves, Cars operate themselves... that still requires human eyes, minds, and skills to oversee that auto operate mode.
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Re: MarineMax 484 on Mosquito Rk
[Re: 706jim]
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08/03/2016 12:46 PM
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Poor docking skills are not limited to PCs.
Last September, I watched a newer looking Sunsail 38 mono crash into the fuel dock at Leverick. The helmsman was at full throttle until a boat length from the dock and then went to neutral. They were surprised that the dock hands did not stop the boat for them. Never went to reverse and almost crashed into the stern of a beautiful wooden sailing vessel on the dock.
Huge scratch thru the gelcoat about 6 feet long. Gave it a quick rub with a towel and went on their way!
Back on topic - any updates on what happened with the 484? Operator error, medical issue, mechanical problem?
Last edited by JasonHelmbrecht; 08/03/2016 12:47 PM.
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