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Re: Back online now
[Re: warren460]
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10/18/2016 12:56 PM
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So happy to see everyone again!!!
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Re: Back online now
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10/18/2016 02:42 PM
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Eric: One word my friend: [color:"blue"]CLOUD[/color] This ain't 1996 anymore. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" />
At least with an outage like this you discover how so many of us missed TTOL. Me included.
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Re: Back online now
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10/18/2016 05:13 PM
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OC-3 just a short time ago was a very big pipe with 155.52 Mbit/s of throughput possible. Today many have that to their homes or at least half of the vintage OC-3 pipes performance numbers. One option to limit the impact of any one backhoe is rented space even equipment in a harden data center with diverse service providers feeding the common "cloud" data center from opposite side. That way you have no single cable or service provider running in the same conduit that can fail you. The next step is to have the site hosted in a least two geographically dispersed data centers. That way a whole town can fall off the earth or be shut down with a disaster and the other site thousands of miles away can serve the customer. Amazon, Rackspace and many others sell those types of services in a very competitive market. It takes two back hoes, two fires, or two floods to kills something that this. A good provider will offer services in three or more.
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Re: Back online now
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10/18/2016 06:00 PM
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Even though I don't post anymore, I still lurk, glad you're back online. I too was thinking maybe the problem was on my end.
[color:"red"] FRAN[/color] "Yes I am a pirate, 200 years too late"
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Re: Back online now
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10/18/2016 06:59 PM
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Ok, now let us think about this for a minute.
Cloud -- There is no magic cloud that has intel processors in it and invisible wire or hard drives or electric. If there is, could somebody tell me where that is?
The cloud is server farms in a building with electric, ac, etc and generally mulitiple internet (wired might I add -- as I have not seen this magical internet connection comming from any cloud around our house, just asking where this magical connection is?).
The cloud is in a building, maybe a block big. Yes redundant connections and maybe redundant servers, but generally in the same building even. So if the connections come in to the building at point A only, then there is a point of failure. If it is redundant to other servers over the "world" then maybe it will be fine..... ok, you are going to pay for this correct?? This is not free unlike you expensive membership to TTOL, right?
So you want redundant services all over the world, but you do not care what the cost is as long as you do not have to pay for it correct? Asking as, we have multiple servers to handle TTOL, each with multiple processors, each with multiple hard drives, etc. What we do not have is redundant bandwith. But based on the past performance, it has not been a problem, who plans on a backhoe. But YES, we could have multiple internet connections and even run the round robin, have done that a long time ago. That was before it was even common to think about and you where dealing with DSL for company websites, email, etc. That is not even a consideration now for a DSL type of setup.
So multiple dedicated yes, it can be done. Moving to the "cloud" is not the 100 per cent option and the cost is not something to laugh about. But I am open to your paying a annual fee for accesss! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> Ok, that is not going to happen I guess.
The hot topic is "cloud" and many do not even know what that actually is. It is still computers in a building that can catch fire, have a hurricane hit, etc. and it will go down whether you call it a cloud or not. Not magical, just hard computers/servers sitting on a rack, connected to you local electric company and connected to the local underground internet wires. That is you cloud. Just that it now runs apps instead of just plain storage. But still the same, just hard computers connected to wires.
And running it to mulitiple locations all over the world, having it sncy instantly, etc. No problem, just money. Unfortunately I am not google! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Back online now
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10/18/2016 07:42 PM
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StormJib said: A good provider will offer services in three or more. LOL! Let's pay for that provider! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Back online now
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10/18/2016 08:09 PM
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crmoores said:StormJib said: A good provider will offer services in three or more. The outsource data center professionals can now deliver services for much less than the once did including geographically redundant locations that reduce risk and some of the costs for everyone involved. Upgrades and disaster recovery are just two reason two or more locations can reduce the total cost of ownership. LOL! Let's pay for that provider! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Back online now
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10/18/2016 08:47 PM
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Ok, so now I am suppose to provide redundant services. Just trying to get the facts straight. This was NOT a disaster recovery --- cut internet line, not any where near our servers even! The cut line was miles and miles away. But internet does not just go everywhere and have thousand of lines spread across farm fields, etc, that is just not the case anywhere.
Even if you have a building a block big. Multiple entry points -- if you are in a city, for example, generally ALL cables (electric and otherwise) run down the middle of the street. You did a hole in the middle of the street, even if ten cables, they all could be cut. Redundancy is only as good as the cables and location. Normally they are, in the same general location. So dig a big enough hole then you will take out everything, phone, internet, electric, etc. That is the way it is. This is not rocket science.
Yes, you can have multiple worldwide locations, sync, etc. That is not free.
So it boils down to cost and how is it going to be paid for. Right now it is the sponsors of TTOL. So do you support them and tell them that you appreciate their contribution to maintaining this simple community?
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Re: Back online now
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10/18/2016 09:08 PM
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Cloud -- There is no magic cloud that has intel processors in it and invisible wire or hard drives or electric. If there is, could somebody tell me where that is?
Eric, this explains it all: xkcd: The Cloud <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> Glad to have you back. Dan <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Cheers.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Back online now
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10/18/2016 09:14 PM
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I agree about helping with the cost. There is another (non-sailing) board that I participate on and it takes donations. I don't think they bring in much $, but it helps to pay some of the bills. People contribute what they feel like and and it seems to work.
s/v Snow Dog - Leopard 46
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Re: Back online now
[Re: Eric_Hill]
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10/18/2016 10:40 PM
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Eric_Hill said: There is a reward for the backhoe operator that dug up the major internet line.
In the last half hour the error and alarms lights finally cleared from the internet access card. Actually there is a truck roll that was on the way to possibly replace their access module because of all the errors.
Actually verizon is onsite right now, going to run a bunch of tests. sounds like the Verizon overlords heard us!!! Kirk on Facebook thought the backhoe story wasn't dynamic enough so I told him that it was really Julian Assange, his final signal that he has been taken out is when TTOL goes down!! glad to have you guys back !!!! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Joy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Joy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Joy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Joy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Joy.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Back online now
[Re: Eric_Hill]
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10/19/2016 08:28 AM
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So glad we are back online! You guys have no idea how frustrating this was!!! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> Anyway, if anyone does want to contribute to our bandwidth fund, you can go here and scroll down to the bottom to make a contribution. For merchandise, we have some towel bags, a very limited amount of t-shirts still available, some coolies, and a few hats. Laura helps us out with the flags, so those are readily available. If someone is interested in any merchandise other than flags, please send Eric a PM first, DON'T just order in the shop, as we have only a very limited supply of most things. This might be a good opportunity for us to clear our all our merchandise.
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Re: Back online now
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10/19/2016 11:36 AM
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Eric, what you are getting at is summed up in a quote I've heard before: "There's no such thing as the 'cloud'. There's only other people's computers."
Glad to have the site back!
Kevin.
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