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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
[Re: rigirly]
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05/30/2017 08:25 PM
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We always use a poopy bag for the toilet paper. When using a holding tank we bring holding tank cleaner packets from Walmart. We put in a new packet every time we empty the tanks
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
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05/30/2017 09:05 PM
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We use a poo bag on charter and on our boat. Gallon ziplocks work well.
Appropriate discharge is a challenge, but you're better than average if you close your holding tanks in an anchorage and discharge between islands.
Cheers, RickG
S/V Echoes, 2003 Beneteau 423 Grenada
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
[Re: Rhumbline]
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05/31/2017 02:52 AM
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We do what we've always done with TP when on board - put it in the poopie bag. Much of the world is this way. Get used to it and when you get home be thrilled that you can put TP in the head/toilet and just flush it away!
Life involves risks, take some prudent ones (NOT with the BVI ferries)!
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
[Re: NCSailor]
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05/31/2017 09:40 AM
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This is all fine and good on your personal boat with state side pump outs. It is not good here for a lot of reasons. First the waste is going in the water. There simply are not any pump outs to speak of why put more human waste in the water than is necessary. Second you are not likely to get "marine" toilet paper in a grocery store or from your provisioning company. You are going to get full blown Charmin or the likes. Third a large number of modern charter yachts have Jabsco electric heads. They have a small macerator blade simply not capable of chewing up the wash cloth like consistency paper mentioned above. Pieces will wrap around the macerator and clog your head. Fourth the head never clogs when there are nice clean things in the macerator. Taking apart a head full of fecal matter while on charter should not be on your bucket list. Fifth the majority of the holding tanks in use today are gravity feed tanks above the water line. When you flush it goes into the top of the tank. If the discharge valve is open it goes overboard. If it is closed it stays in the tanks until you open the valve. Assuming you got the paper past the macerator it settles to the bottom and makes up a slurry of solid waste that includes calcium deposits from salt water flush, solid human waste and paper. Think of it as the ultimate fecal paper mache project. It simply is not worth the damage to the environment or the higher likelihood of a clog to put anything down that you haven't eaten first. And yes diaper wipes can greatly reduce the amount of trash in your head and make for a more pleasant trip. Now back sailing, snorkeling and threads as they are much more fun. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
[Re: CaptainJay]
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05/31/2017 10:12 AM
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I don't know if it is "Marine" TP, but the TP we've used on all our trips is thin and does fall apart very quickly once wet. Nothing even remotely close to full blown charmin.
Matt
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
[Re: RickG]
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05/31/2017 10:32 AM
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RickG said: Appropriate discharge is a challenge, but you're better than average if you close your holding tanks in an anchorage and discharge between islands.
Cheers, RickG Agreed. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Thumbsup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
[Re: CaptainJay]
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05/31/2017 11:00 AM
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CaptainJay said:This is all fine and good on your personal boat with state side pump outs. It is not good here for a lot of reasons. First the waste is going in the water. There simply are not any pump outs to speak of why put more human waste in the water than is necessary. Second you are not likely to get "marine" toilet paper in a grocery store or from your provisioning company. You are going to get full blown Charmin or the likes. Third a large number of modern charter yachts have Jabsco electric heads. They have a small macerator blade simply not capable of chewing up the wash cloth like consistency paper mentioned above. Pieces will wrap around the macerator and clog your head. Fourth the head never clogs when there are nice clean things in the macerator. Taking apart a head full of fecal matter while on charter should not be on your bucket list. Fifth the majority of the holding tanks in use today are gravity feed tanks above the water line. When you flush it goes into the top of the tank. If the discharge valve is open it goes overboard. If it is closed it stays in the tanks until you open the valve. Assuming you got the paper past the macerator it settles to the bottom and makes up a slurry of solid waste that includes calcium deposits from salt water flush, solid human waste and paper. Think of it as the ultimate fecal paper mache project. It simply is not worth the damage to the environment or the higher likelihood of a clog to put anything down that you haven't eaten first. And yes diaper wipes can greatly reduce the amount of trash in your head and make for a more pleasant trip. Now back sailing, snorkeling and threads as they are much more fun. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> The TP on the Moorings boats is marine TP. I have used it on my own boats and know what it looks/feels like. It is single ply and starts to fall apart as soon as it gets wet. We don't discharge into anchorages - only when at least 3 miles offshore.
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
[Re: NCSailor]
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05/31/2017 11:55 AM
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NCSailor said: We put the TP in the toilet. Marine TP dissolves when it gets wet. I have never had a clogged toilet in 35 years of boating. Congrats NC Sailor! As a professional Captain, for longer than that, I have fixed way too many heads. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> On a personal boat, rarely, and then usually because of scale build up over time in the hoses. On charter vessels with so many different people using the heads, always foreign matter caused the clog -- I would rather empty the waste basket a hundred times a day, even if it is rather disgusting at times, then get the tools out. Do Not Put Anything In The Toilet Bowl Unless You Have Eaten It Thank You the Captain and CrewI put that notice in every head and always stress it during orientation -- along with a friendly comment that I will be in no great rush to fix anyones clogged head during the trip.
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
[Re: sail2wind]
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05/31/2017 01:05 PM
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sail2wind said: "We don't discharge into anchorages - only when at least 3 miles offshore."
really? other than Anegada when would a charterer be 3 miles off shore, probably never. Anyone who has sailed with us knows we have a strict no paper in the head rule. I tell them if it clogs I have some rubber gloves and screwdrivers they can use. Yes really.
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
[Re: Rhumbline]
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06/01/2017 07:56 AM
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Directly from the article
"Conclusions
Even with single-plies, seawater degradation was slow. This highlights the need to never pump overboard near shore; if you must, use a macerator and not just a diaphragm pump.
The clear loser was facial tissue. Its biodegradability performances left little doubt that it would remain intact underwater for months and cause clogs.
Testers were reasonably happy with all of the single-plies we tested, with the Scott Rapid Dissolve leading the pack. However, rapid dissolving is not the only thing that counts, and Scott Extra Soft’s greater user-friendliness make it a winning substitute for a more cushy two-ply. Single plies are typically flimsier than double plies, but this can be compensated for by using slightly more single-ply sheets per wad, which is still usually less paper (by weight) than a double ply. More importantly, the single ply is less likely to clog.
Except for the marine toilet papers, two-plies are an unacceptable risk of head clogs. They were much slower to break down, most critically during the initial stir when they would be passing through the joker valve. If they fail to break up during pumping, you can be sure they will be trouble at the pump-out."
Yes it is good information and the conclusion paragraph tells the tail. "never pump overboard near shore" "two plies are an unacceptable risk"
This test was also preformed with a manual head. Hence the word pumps in the body of the text. Very few boats in charter still have manual heads. The electric heads while convenient are much more prone to clogging.
My post and those observations are based on thirty years of personal boating and maintaining a fleet of 20 or so charter boats for the better part of the last ten years.
Jay
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
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06/01/2017 08:32 AM
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We have always followed the rule, "if you haven't eaten it, it doesn't go in the head."
We had one guy trying to eat toilet paper....LOL
Seriously, it is not that big of a deal. We put a ziplock bag in every head trash can. We use baby wipes, put them in the ziplock and dispose of it each day.
Colleen
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
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06/01/2017 03:04 PM
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Where's the popcorn eating GIF when you need it? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" /> you should have seen the "old days" on this board when people used to regularly flush in Cane Garden Bay anchorage lol and Saildoggie always had the gif <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
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06/02/2017 03:59 PM
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In our Charter Prep we always have: Special High Intensity Training
With that all toilet issues are solved.
<img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/boohoo.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Toliet paper and holding tank etiquette
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06/04/2017 07:46 PM
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BVI can't handle the landbased waste, much less process anything from pumpout stations.
My foot fits right into my shoe and my shoe will fit right into your...
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