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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/07/2020 08:41 AM
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I'd keep the reservation - at worst there will still be some covid cases around but things should pretty much be back to normal.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: gordaguy2]
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04/07/2020 09:02 AM
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I'd keep the reservation - at worst there will still be some covid cases around but things should pretty much be back to normal. ? Do you mean May or July? I'm thinking May is a real stretch at this point....but we have thought about rescheduling for end of June/early July. It will be that or we'll tack this one onto the end of a charter we already have in place for November....
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/07/2020 09:12 AM
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We recently made the final payment on our July Moorings charter. If the BVI are still locked down then we'll just work with Moorings on rescheduling it, probably in 07/2021. We hope that July 2020 will work out since by then we'll need a vacation for sure. I suspect that airline schedules for July will be a mess which may be an issue.
Louis from Houston
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/07/2020 09:33 AM
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At some point the BVI will need to open up. The virus is not going away. As the world builds immunity it will become another seasonal illness. The BVI can’t isolate from it forever. The Swedish approach so far appears to be the most successful but gets little press. https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: bailau]
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04/07/2020 10:34 AM
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From a data perspective it’s useful to have different models being tried. I think it’s too early to come to any conclusions. There’s so much we don’t know yet.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/07/2020 11:08 AM
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"Should I stay or should I go..... " Lots' of us in the same boat!
Disappointed, but We have decided to cancel our June 10 trip and start planning for next year. Virginia has a unnecessary travel ban in place till June 10.... they day we were suppose to depart.
Air Fare - United Air is pushing their vouchers, but are giving full cash refunds. Boat - We will reschedule with Horizon. Mafolie - Full refunds.
Stay safely separated everyone.
Chuck W.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: cwoody]
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04/07/2020 11:34 AM
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I think that's the wisest decision at this point. Even if your STATE lifts a travel ban and your airplane does go, AND the BVI is open for visitors by then, that doesn't mean that you won't have to be quarantined or whatever, when you come home.. Regarding United, I would insist on the REFUND. There is no way to know if the airline will still be solvent when this is all over with, whenever that might be.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Carol_Hill]
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04/07/2020 01:01 PM
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Regarding United, I would insist on the REFUND. Carol, Funny... I was thinking voucher... but the wife says take the $$. As usual I will just say YES DEAR!
Chuck W.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Kmon]
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04/07/2020 02:28 PM
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This is not the flu. According to the stats you linked to, the flu has a fatality rate of 0.1%. If we’re lucky Covid-19 may end up with a fatality rate of 1.0%, ten times higher than the flu.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/07/2020 03:05 PM
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I think the math TG is using is deaths/number infected The hard part here is there are many unreported cases that don't involve care. My next door neighbor's parents both had it from their care community and then my neighbor has had all the symptoms and has finally recovered after 2 weeks. It would be hard to imagine his 3 girls or wife didn't catch it and were symptomless before he self isolated in his basement. On the other side 3 doors down the family of 4 about 2 months ago all went through the same symptoms for 2 weeks. Of all this only the original parents were reported and both survived thankfully Here is a site I follow...pull downs for countries/states http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-americaand of course the classic... https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6To the original question I am more concerned about the counter party risk associated with the charter company which is owned by a private equity company than a US airline which will most likely be bailed out...plus the charter cost is 4x as great.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: TomSW]
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04/07/2020 03:06 PM
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Might want to check the math on 1%. 3+ million people dead in the USA? I sure hope not. As of 4/6/2020, the worldwide rate is 5.4%. 64k deaths out of 1.17m confirmed cases.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/07/2020 03:18 PM
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The problem is only the really sick are getting tested. The vast majority of cases don’t make the stats. I have a friend heavily involved with COVID-19 in Southern CA. They are starting to think they may have had a outbreak there back in Nov and Dec when they had a big uptick in what was reported as flu cases. Irvine CA has a big Chinese population with extensive travel back and forth including Wuhan. Now they seem to be doing well and there is speculation that the area has some immunity. In fact Orange County has had only 14 deaths and 130 people in the hospital currently. The totals should be dramatically higher given the amount of China travel. G
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/07/2020 09:34 PM
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Agree with GeorgeC1: Most stats are using "cases" as people who are Tested... Most who are sick and can be treated at home are not tested due to unavailability of testing. So as testing becomes more wide scale, there will be more "Covid19 cases" , but proportionally less death rate.
Also, regarding GeorgeC1 comments about air exchange in airliners(I believe George is /was commercial airline pilot) and the use of HEPPA filters, the spread on planes likely direct droplet (so wearing a mask, especially N95 mask, will be beneficial, and available by then). The more common spread on airlines were probably the previous passenger contaminating the seat/tray/armrests, etc. Airlines are better at this now, and I dare say we will all clean our space upon boarding for quite some time.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/09/2020 08:31 AM
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There continues to be more evidence that Irvine CA and a good part of Orange County had a serious outbreak of covid19 in Dec/Jan and no one noticed! It was passed off as flu. We now have the ability to do testing to see if someone has had covid19 and from there extrapolate the true numbers who have been infected and the real mortality rate. Attempts to do so have been blocked with the reasoning usually they don’t want to expend the resources. The information could however be critical to how and when we reopen the country. G
As of today Orange County CA which should have one of the worst outbreaks based on population and travel demographics has 17 deaths and 99 people hospitalized with a population of 13 million people.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/09/2020 10:42 AM
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Thats because the Governor shut down Cali and did what was supposed to do to protects residents and the people are used to walking around with masks on watched what's happening in their homeland and did as they're told to stay inside.
On the other side if true then I am immune as I had that flu so did my family and most families on Anegada as I brought it home in December, the bit your missing and the major difference is a runny nose....
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/09/2020 07:03 PM
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I just postponed my May 2nd charter with CYOA to November 14th. Fingers crossed things are good to go by then.
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - beer in hand - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming, "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: sunman60]
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04/09/2020 07:12 PM
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I would CANCEL any visits to the BVI's until 2021 at the earliest. bit strong? There’s logic in what Marie and Steve said due to hysteria especially amongst foreigners. If someone happened to sneeze C&I will probably remove and Quarantine the person.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: sail445]
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04/09/2020 07:28 PM
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I would CANCEL any visits to the BVI's until 2021 at the earliest. bit strong? There’s logic in what Marie and Steve said due to hysteria especially amongst foreigners. If someone happened to sneeze C&I will probably remove and Quarantine the person. Not sure where you're referring to, but if anything it's the exact opposite in the BVI C&I. Probably too lax. Have not heard of a single person being quarantined for anything other than their travel history and that was a well publicized policy. Should not have been any surprises.
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
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04/09/2020 08:28 PM
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I would CANCEL any visits to the BVI's until 2021 at the earliest. bit strong? There’s logic in what Marie and Steve said due to hysteria especially amongst foreigners. If someone happened to sneeze C&I will probably remove and Quarantine the person. Not sure where you're referring to, but if anything it's the exact opposite in the BVI C&I. Probably too lax. Have not heard of a single person being quarantined for anything other than their travel history and that was a well publicized policy. Should not have been any surprises. Regardless of what you heard the BVI government did say that they’ll quarantine anyone they suspect. We all know they C&I are not doctors so there’s a good chance they’ll screw up someone’s vacation
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Re: Cancel, Delay or Postpone
[Re: Arizona Dave]
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04/10/2020 08:03 AM
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The BVI will be open to any country that has dealt with and got control of the pandemic properly from May or June I suspect with the radio broadcast last night and information in the gazette.
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