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BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/11/2020 09:01 AM
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The BVI is set to pass a law that boaters cannot dump sewage in BVI waters( defined as coastal waters) However there is no infrastructure to be able to do this and the BVI wants marinas and charter companies to bear the costs. I am not sure how you pump out the sewage from a typical tank in a yacht. For sure it will be a messy system. Don't know how you can pass a law when there is no infrastructure to adhere to the law.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/11/2020 09:24 AM
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Link? In the esoteric, I think this is a good idea, but as you say, the devil is in the details.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/11/2020 04:20 PM
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Bailau, the holding tanks on the boats are good for about 6 uses before emptying. maybe your no. 2 is especially,large. On my 33’ boat the holding tank is 26 gallons.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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Bailau, the holding tanks on the boats are good for about 6 uses before emptying. maybe your no. 2 is especially,large. On my 33’ boat the holding tank is 26 gallons. My 28' holding tank is 26 gallons...usually do mid season pump out and end of year before winterizing and usually get more uses. I strongly discourage guests #2 since I have to pump it out...
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/12/2020 08:53 AM
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Yeah, you would think the government would eventually figure that out..
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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Zanshin The government wants the marine community to pay for and install the pump stations. And I do not know what their term coastal waters means. Is ti 2-3 miles from the shore? or what. I used to store in the tanks and dump when I was 3 miles out. Example leverick Bay would have great difficulty in getting rid of the sewage as there is not a sewage plant.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/12/2020 06:39 PM
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Zanshin The government wants the marine community to pay for and install the pump stations. And I do not know what their term coastal waters means. Is ti 2-3 miles from the shore? or what. I used to store in the tanks and dump when I was 3 miles out. Example leverick Bay would have great difficulty in getting rid of the sewage as there is not a sewage plant. You are the OP and despite a request for the source of your information you have not provided. Please post a link to the source of your original post.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/12/2020 10:32 PM
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You guys are talking like this is a bad thing. It is a long time coming. I believe Nanny Cay has the infrastructure for this. I know money is VERY tight for everyone, but this will be good for everyone. On our second boat we installed Lectrasans for waste treatment, fortunately it did not do well in the charter market and left the boat with a nasty funk, but our boat was safe to swim around. We had to remove them.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/13/2020 10:48 AM
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Sitting here on a boat in the USVI....the BVI is becoming less and less appealing... Was going to bring this up on the USVI thread, but..... Last time I was sailing in the USVI I did not see any pump out boats and No dumping in US waters has been in affect for years. Is the USVI any better equipped to handle pumpouts? On the Chesapeake Bay, most anchorages are very proactive in the pumpout market. Make pumpout easy and cheap ( $5 or free) and reduce waste ending up in the bay is a no-brainer. My 2016 Beneteau does not even have a gravity flush out option, I have to pumpout every time. Amazing how quick a 23gal holding tank fills up.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/19/2020 08:30 AM
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With two of us on our boat with a large 25 gallon holding tank we have to empty once a week. Capt. Jay calls it "Beam reaching to Poopville." The rule in the US is to go to the 3-mile line on the chart.
We're in Grenada on our boat in 2-week quarantine in the quarantine anchorage. The Grenadian Coast Guard is cruising the anchorage and checking boat names against their list - about 60 boats now, but it peaked at over 110 boats. The Coast Guard is quite grumpy about allowing us to leave to dump holding tanks. Most are just pumping over as they go.
The BVI/USVI need to get serious about having the infrastructure to pump out. In Maryland all marinas and fuel docks are required to have pumpout facilities.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/19/2020 08:37 AM
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In the states at least on the Chesapeake Bay and tributaries the Clean Vessel Act helps subsidize the majority of the cost of constructing the pump outs so less of the cost is passed through to boaters. We had one installed at our Yacht Club and there is no cost for use and the condition of the grant is that all boaters (not just our Yacht Club) can use. It is also easier to dispose of the waste.
I would imagine the BVIs wouldn't have a grant program to help subsidize and disposal would be harder...so it would be more cost passed through to the boaters maybe? The River Keepers organization also sponsors pumpout boats that patrol the popular Maryland anchorage and offer free pumpouts. Capt. Jay knows the story first hand, but there was a USVI pumpout boat that was bought with grant money. It did not go into service because there was nowhere to pumpout. On St. John one of the septic services has offered to schedule one of their septic trucks to pumpout from a pumpout boat, but that is not happening yet. In Marathon the City Marina has 220+ moorings and has a weekly pumpout boat service. It has made a big impact on the lagoon there. For proper black water disposal it is going to take government commitment, money, and real incentives to make it happen. But, many private boats in the VIs do not have holding tanks. Cheers, RickG
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/19/2020 10:03 AM
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But, many private boats in the VIs do not have holding tanks. Rick - I hear people say this pretty often. But is that really the case? I can't imagine a boat being built in the last twenty years that didn't have holding tanks so there can't be a single boat in the entire charter fleet that doesn't have tanks. So seems this is surely an issue only on older boats. Will these boats have to install tanks or will they be exempt? And how many of those boats are actively lived on and dumping overboard now? I am curious to know the real number on this, but it's probably not a number that can be obtained without some govt. collection of data. If the boats polluting the bays are the ones that are discharging overboard then having the boats with tanks go out - presumably 3 miles - to dump isn't going to make any difference on the water quality in the bays. I like/want clean water but I wonder if this new regulation is going to achieve the goal. IMHO a better place to start would be to mandate all boats have black water holding tanks.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/20/2020 10:27 AM
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I 1. Our charter company in BVI had our boat configured so that flushing the head resulted in the waste going right out into the water, not into the holding tank. 2. The low point of our trip was seeing a poop float past while we were anchored and swimming at Jost. Don't know what charter company you were using, but for the last several charters in the BVI, the company's I have used all were recommending closing the head thru hull while at anchor. And absolutely at the marina. All gravity thru hulls were shut upon boarding and shut upon returning to dock. Opened once in open water. Part of the boat check out process. We have been practicing this for much longer. A good habit to literally avoid #2 above. Our "jobs on board" include designated "head captain" for this task. Promotional opportunities from this position include "dingy captain" and "galley winch"
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/23/2020 04:33 PM
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I've noticed in the Caribbean that many countries have a dry wastebasket for toilet paper along side their toilets. I've always thought this to be unsanitary. As for marine toilets in the BVI not discharging any toilet paper...
Guess again. The reason for the wastebasket is that some of the toilets discharge in the surrounding waters and they don’t want the toilet paper to be seen floating in the water in other cases it because the toilets are outhouses.
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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07/24/2020 10:33 AM
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We have always used the small wastebaskets in the heads for used toilet paper. We bring small trash bags from home (or Kroger bags) to line the wastebaskets, replacing as needed and transferring used paper to the main trash. We have a rule that nothing goes in the head other than pee and poop. We close the 'Y' valves except when dumping in the open. Not perfect, but seems to be the best option. The humor is when we return home and get momentarily confused about what to do with our used toilet paper :-)
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Re: BVI passes law to prohibit dumping of sewage from Yachts
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08/27/2020 11:01 AM
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Agree with you - couldn't imagine swimming in CGB or some of the other mooring spots.
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