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Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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08/31/2020 09:25 AM
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There have been several new positive cases of covid in the BVI . As a result a new 24/7 lockdown is being considered. For me this is a BIG mistake as no country will be able to keep covid from getting in. They need to put their energies into how to best protect the population medically and learn to live with covid. In the USA we have been lied to about the number of cases and now the CDC keeps changing the story. If you look at the real statistics it is astonishing how badly we have been lied to.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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08/31/2020 05:41 PM
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I imagine there were very few precautions taken (due to human nature).
Actually, all the government offices and retail establishments that I use (grocery, liquor, hardware, electronics, gas stations) have consistently required hand sanitizer and masks since mid-March. Airports, planes, ferry all consistent with handwashing and masks. At restaurants, all the staff is masked and many (not all) patrons wear masks to the door and use sanitizer before entering the premises. The biggest exception is the beach but distancing is pretty easy and it is outdoors. Many places (offices, grocery, airport, bars) also have plexi separators up. From personal reports I'm getting from the States (Ohio and New York) it seems the precautions are better followed here. People here are scared. Everyone is well aware there are only 8 ventilators for the country and they are acting accordingly so far.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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08/31/2020 05:45 PM
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Opening to tourism would not have resulted in the current outbreak, in my opinion. There would have been testing and precautions in place. This outbreak resulted from people smuggling - and a reluctance to get caught. So there was no testing, no precautions, and very likely a delay in addressing the outbreak.
Now the government is talking openly about the adverse effects on its own finances. How bad are they? We don't know, but a lot of people feel they're not getting the assistance they were promised.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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08/31/2020 06:34 PM
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I am not aware of any help they received from any country except maybe Cuba and in that case the medical folks do not speak English leading to possible problems with medications. The UK is no position to offer help (except for military/coast guard help). I suspect the BVI is low on usable finances. How can it keep going with no tourism and little financial offerings. And there is no other source of income. Selling ganja and vegetables will do little. Maybe they could sell citizenship to the country with some income.
Now they are spending something like 50k per day for some cargo ships. You would think the owners of these cargo ships would offer them to the government at no charge.to help the country in their time of need in controlling the border, which they should have done for years.. UK could do this gratis.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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I am not aware of any help they received from any country except maybe Cuba and in that case the medical folks do not speak English leading to possible problems with medications. The UK is no position to offer help (except for military/coast guard help). I suspect the BVI is low on usable finances. How can it keep going with no tourism and little financial offerings. And there is no other source of income. Selling ganja and vegetables will do little. Maybe they could sell citizenship to the country with some income.
Now they are spending something like 50k per day for some cargo ships. You would think the owners of these cargo ships would offer them to the government at no charge.to help the country in their time of need in controlling the border, which they should have done for years.. UK could do this gratis. The UK provided testing equipment and test kits. The UK also offered back in March to protect the borders and just like after Irma, the help was turned away.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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08/31/2020 08:01 PM
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I imagine there were very few precautions taken (due to human nature).
From personal reports I'm getting from the States (Ohio and New York) it seems the precautions are better followed here. People here are scared. Everyone is well aware there are only 8 ventilators for the country and they are acting accordingly so far. Great to hear that BVI people are following recommended precautions.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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08/31/2020 08:11 PM
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I imagine there were very few precautions taken (due to human nature).
From personal reports I'm getting from the States (Ohio and New York) it seems the precautions are better followed here. People here are scared. Everyone is well aware there are only 8 ventilators for the country and they are acting accordingly so far. Great to hear that BVI people are following recommended precautions. Much better than I anticipated.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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08/31/2020 08:14 PM
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NCSailor, some folks would say going back forty years would be perfect!
I agree with much of what you say, but not all. Insurance covered some Irma damage but much was not covered. We got about 1/3 of what it cost us to rebuild, and that was better than many people. Many had no insurance. The government got $11 million for the main administration building, but schools and other government buildings were uninsured. Various charities reroofed and repaired many houses, but some remain damaged, three years on.
This is important, because many people's savings and post-Irma earnings have gone to rebuild. So Covid found many people already financially insecure.
The government's spending is curious. It's costing a fortune to lease barges, apparently because the police and Customs boats don't work. The British military would help, but weren't invited. Some people question how serious the government is about stopping smuggling.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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08/31/2020 09:27 PM
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The reality is the government allowed covid to come by not enforcing the borders (which they should have done for years) but well heeled and important folks in the BVI must be making money in the smuggling trade. They don't want the UK to come in as the smuggling would stop and many locals would be affected..
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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09/01/2020 01:59 PM
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So bottom line is folks can shop, go to bank (if open) go to the beach to exercise. But all business is closed, no one can work No STT ferry, very limited air transport into Beef Island. At the end of the 2 weeks there should be no active covid cases. Then what?? How is tourism going to start up? A plan is badly needed,. without a plan no tourism product knows what to expect or how to plan for guests. BVI needs to completely control the local smuggling with hopefully folks who are not beholden to the political parties or those in power or those with the "right" names. Apparently smuggling is a HUGE problem that needs to get controlled.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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09/01/2020 02:14 PM
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News Flash 32 million in cash was found on the Norma H (which is a tramp steamer bringing goods from Puerto Rico to USVI to BVII DEA got a tip and it was cash in boxes (lots of boxes) Cash was going from Puerto Rico to USVI. Someone is missing big bucks in the USVI Someone has a lot of explaining to do.
Last edited by tpcook; 09/01/2020 02:43 PM.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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09/02/2020 07:54 AM
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I read the speech: tested total of 3,027 people w/2,965 negative, 47 positive, 15 pending. Don't see where he ever estimated 1,500.
Search for the words "current estimates place our undocumented cases at approximately 1, 482 persons at a minimum" and you should find it.
Last edited by JasonHelmbrecht; 09/02/2020 08:05 AM.
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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09/02/2020 10:04 AM
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there is no travel to the BVI from the USA so the CDC needs to wake up same as when they said it was safe to travel
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Re: Possible new 24/7 lockdown
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09/02/2020 01:39 PM
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I think it was a estimate based on a R0 value as a prediction and not actual
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