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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: sleepychef]
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10/29/2020 10:12 AM
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Also there is no day of testing, day 4 go do your test and leave, an hour at the most . There is no waiting for the results. So you're released to the next step without a negative test confirmed? That's not what I heard.
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: cwoody]
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10/29/2020 02:36 PM
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Ahoy Captains, This Virus is like another Class 5 Hurricane. It changes speed and direction and intensity every day, and we must be prepared to change with it. We are All doing the best we can to survive, physically and mentally and financially. Please stop blaming the People of the BVI for all this, blame the Virus. There is tremendous push back on many of the Protocols, supported by many cancellations, so expect to see the BVI Gov cutting their political and economic losses wherever they can over the next few weeks. The 8th day test seems to be in question. When the BVI Gov sees the cost and difficulty in sourcing the test material against world wide demand, it should be easy to cut their losses. The Bracelets seem to be for the Locals, after the failed quarantine of the Locals in June/July. The Sailors are already physically isolated on their yachts and tracked with their phones. When the BVI Gov sees the start up costs and rate of hardware failure, it would be easy to cut their losses. There is no definition of high risk or high traffic so it will be easy for the BVI Gov to cut their economic losses with local businesses. The Airport Arrival test must be facilitated by a certified laboratory at the airport, otherwise it is just ‘catch and release’. If the ferry ports open up in JVD, WE, and VG, unless they have laboratories then those are all ‘catch and release’. So as mentioned by the BVI Premier, as soon as you are tested on the 4th day you are Free. Tested on Day 1 on Arrival with a Free Sleepaboard, then 2 Nights in the Neutral Zone, then the 4th Day you get tested and are Free. And Day 4 you are in a harbor with fuel/water/ice to reload, or balls and bars if you want to overnight. The ‘quarantine on the dock’ is the most controversial and possibly the biggest factor in cancellations right now. The BVI Gov can easily cut their loses by giving the yachts a Neutral Zone to sail around with Norman/ Peter/ Copper/ Marina Cay. In fact nothing has yet been finalized regarding the Yacht Charter industry and the dock quarantine and a Neutral Zone, so it would be very easy politically to ‘save’ the season. Just today Thur 29.10.20 - https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/uni...-london-to-boost-travel-in-pandemic.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/cor...ely-preparing-for-launch-of-vaccine.html Please be a little Patient with yourselves and each other as we all battle this Virus as best we can. And remember on the Yacht there is No Masks and No Distancing and No Politics. Fair Winds, Brent from The Captains Compass
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: Brent]
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10/29/2020 03:12 PM
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Ahoy Captains,
This Virus is like another Class 5 Hurricane. It changes speed and direction and intensity every day, and we must be prepared to change with it. We are All doing the best we can to survive, physically and mentally and financially. Please stop blaming the People of the BVI for all this, blame the Virus.
I don't see anyone blaming the People. The blame falls squarely on the government for their communication skills and I can't imagine you don't actually believe that. They announced the opening too late, they did not include the protocols with the announcement, they announced the protocols after several missed promise dates, and the protocols they announced are impractical. This is evidenced by your continued justification that it will all work out because the protocols will fail. The point is, the protocols that will likely fail are the same protocols that will force 70% or more vacationers to cancel. Nobody wants to wait until the protocols fail in January, the government spends 1 month rewriting them, and then another month to announce them. Just close the borders back down now and save all the drama.
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: Brent]
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10/29/2020 04:57 PM
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Ahoy Captains, This Virus is like another Class 5 Hurricane. It changes speed and direction and intensity every day, and we must be prepared to change with it. We are All doing the best we can to survive, physically and mentally and financially. Please stop blaming the People of the BVI for all this, blame the Virus. There is tremendous push back on many of the Protocols, supported by many cancellations, so expect to see the BVI Gov cutting their political and economic losses wherever they can over the next few weeks. The 8th day test seems to be in question. When the BVI Gov sees the cost and difficulty in sourcing the test material against world wide demand, it should be easy to cut their losses. The Bracelets seem to be for the Locals, after the failed quarantine of the Locals in June/July. The Sailors are already physically isolated on their yachts and tracked with their phones. When the BVI Gov sees the start up costs and rate of hardware failure, it would be easy to cut their losses. There is no definition of high risk or high traffic so it will be easy for the BVI Gov to cut their economic losses with local businesses. The Airport Arrival test must be facilitated by a certified laboratory at the airport, otherwise it is just ‘catch and release’. If the ferry ports open up in JVD, WE, and VG, unless they have laboratories then those are all ‘catch and release’. So as mentioned by the BVI Premier, as soon as you are tested on the 4th day you are Free. Tested on Day 1 on Arrival with a Free Sleepaboard, then 2 Nights in the Neutral Zone, then the 4th Day you get tested and are Free. And Day 4 you are in a harbor with fuel/water/ice to reload, or balls and bars if you want to overnight. The ‘quarantine on the dock’ is the most controversial and possibly the biggest factor in cancellations right now. The BVI Gov can easily cut their loses by giving the yachts a Neutral Zone to sail around with Norman/ Peter/ Copper/ Marina Cay. In fact nothing has yet been finalized regarding the Yacht Charter industry and the dock quarantine and a Neutral Zone, so it would be very easy politically to ‘save’ the season. Just today Thur 29.10.20 - https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/uni...-london-to-boost-travel-in-pandemic.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/cor...ely-preparing-for-launch-of-vaccine.html Please be a little Patient with yourselves and each other as we all battle this Virus as best we can. And remember on the Yacht there is No Masks and No Distancing and No Politics. Fair Winds, Brent from The Captains Compass Thanks for being a voice of reason in this discussion! There seems to be a tendency on the part of those who have already canceled to justify their decision with speculative abject pessimism.
M4000 "Lio Kai"
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: Brent]
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10/30/2020 05:40 AM
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Nicely put Brent, everyone is fatigued with all of this and sometimes we get impatient for good news....
Toast.......to Life; White Bay...heaven on earth. Diane
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: cwoody]
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10/30/2020 09:40 AM
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Brent, I agree with some of your points. Except I don't see anyone blaming the people. Most of us have been going down there for years and consider the people family. So our disdain is for the BVI government. Not the people. Like you, I suspect the government will realize the protocols are too stringent and will relent. And I totally agree with Jason above that this was handled in a bad way and will cost the BVI people some much needed income.
Go Irish!!
Bill
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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10/30/2020 11:29 AM
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They also need to change the villa plan. It has to be along the lines of the USVI covid test before traveling, covid test on entry or better yet a temp test. Then you are free to travel. I do not trust a person at a dock or at the airport shoving something into my brain. Have no idea how competent they are., so just do not want to take the risk..
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: tpcook]
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10/30/2020 11:42 AM
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They also need to change the villa plan. It has to be along the lines of the USVI covid test before traveling, covid test on entry or better yet a temp test. Then you are free to travel. I do not trust a person at a dock or at the airport shoving something into my brain. Have no idea how competent they are., so just do not want to take the risk.. Worse yet, in yesterday's interview with 284 Media, Hon. Malone said they were going to train resort workers to do the swabbing for their guests. Imagine the angry lady that just sucked her teeth at you because you asked for a different t-shirt size sticking that swab up your nose...
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: Carol_Hill]
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10/30/2020 12:36 PM
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Jason--wow. One could not make this stuff up. For the record, nobody at my place is swabbing noses! We'll be happy to arrange an "approved taxi" to the closest testing site but I'm not a swabber....
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: Carol_Hill]
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10/30/2020 02:54 PM
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Any "Self Test" kits being offered. Being used in the US to speed the process.
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: cwoody]
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10/30/2020 04:38 PM
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Now it turns out you will have to pay for their tracking system on your smartphone. No real number given but I heard $750 for 5 persons. The cost of a trip to the BVI is off the wall. They have to go with the USVI system covide test before you arrive and a temperature test at your point of arrival.
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Re: BVI Charter protocols TBA?.
[Re: cwoody]
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11/03/2020 12:57 PM
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Ahoy Captains, Solutions to the issue of 'quarantine on the yacht on the dock' are being proposed publicly - http://www.virginislandsnewsonline....solated-on-boats-dr-heskith-a-vanterpool “A catamaran can hold about 8 or 12 people, 8 can sleep comfortably typically on four double beds…why can't those people go straight to the boat? They don't have to interact with the local people to a great degree because they can order their supplies online, they don't have to go to the supermarkets.” He continued, “they go out into the sea, so it has the best open-air they have, they will come off on islands to go to restaurants etc, but maybe you limit that side of it… you can go to the beach not in huge crowds clearly.” 8th Day Virus Test is also under 'review' - https://www.bviplatinum.com/news.php?articleId=32112Fair Winds, Brent from The Captains Compass
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