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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
[Re: tradewinds]
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04/18/2022 02:31 PM
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tradewinds--If you think that the CDC will not appeal that ruling, I think you also believe in the Easter bunny. That's the ruling of one local district court Judge here in Florida. Now, it MAY become moot as of May 4, if they decide to lift it, but I wouldn't count on that either.
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/18/2022 03:06 PM
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I'm just saying, that just because one low level federal judge says something, doesn't mean that will be the end of it.
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/18/2022 03:35 PM
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Could be. I was very surprised when the Justice Dept refused to comment on whether they would appeal.
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/18/2022 05:03 PM
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In my experience how people feel about this system is entirely dependent on how the relevant decision aligns with their own political views.
The judge is either a righteous hero or a rogue nut job.
Last edited by MrEZgoin; 04/18/2022 05:12 PM.
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/18/2022 05:06 PM
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Appointed by, and whose husband worked for?
Noel Hall "It is humbling indeed, to discover my own opinion is only correct less than 50% of the time." www.noelhall.com
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/21/2022 11:30 AM
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Not at all surprised, just surprised the appeal wasn't immediate. What's unclear is what the effect will be, as so far apparently they haven't asked to re-impose the mandate, pending the appeal.
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/21/2022 12:52 PM
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I am a little surprised. I kinda thought the administration would just move on knowing it was going to expire soon anyway. I think this will be quite difficult to reimpose now.
Go Irish!!
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/21/2022 01:29 PM
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I think this will be quite difficult to reimpose now. You are right, flood gates have been opened. Don't think they are looking to reimpose at this point. They just want to block the Fed judge's order overriding the Fed CDC. Allowing one federal judge to block the efforts of another fed agency does not set a good precedent. Unless of course this happens to be ruling issued by the supreme court. Another fine mess. ... like George said above.
Last edited by cwoody; 04/21/2022 01:30 PM.
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/21/2022 01:45 PM
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cwoody--yes, that makes sense. I have a whole lot more I could say on the subject, but I will refrain, considering all of it is political.
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/22/2022 09:24 AM
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I agree mask mandates have unfortunately been a political issue for a long while. Scott Gottleib, a former FDA head, is often on tv giving his opinion on networks across the political spectrum. I have found him the least political and more practical than any of the other experts I’ve seen. Even though he was on the board of Pfizer, I never once saw anything like promoting their vaccine.
The day after the judges ruling he was on CNBC. His opinion was that the controversy was the fault of the cdc. He said while the FDA has long had procedures in place to decide upon actions based on data, the CDC has no such process. As a result their decisions are by definition arbitrary and seen as political and that undermines credibility. It is a government entity that has little experience mandating national policy. He said they need data driven decisions.
His advice was for people who wanted to mask or had underlying illness or immune compromised they should wear a well fitting kn95 or N95 mask at least on boarding and exiting the plane. That is more key to their personal protection than making everyone to wear Ill fitting cloth masks they are not wanting to wear he said..
If they reverse the finding it will cause more fights on flights than ever before. If a reinstated mandate was soon reversed again with hospitalizations falling, as Gottleib suggested, it will cause even more to lose faith in the CDC. There is nothing worse than the US Justice system…except nearly all of the others. 😀
Last edited by Will_L; 04/22/2022 09:26 AM.
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Re: Federal Mask Mandate Lifted by Judge
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04/22/2022 10:18 PM
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Can we keep this on point to BVI C & I requirements ? It really isn't cogent to discuss US policy in light of BVI requirements. Since this probably involves the majority of visitors to the BVI including you, people are interested in what is happening in regards to travel from the USA to the BVI.
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