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Moorings subject to winter swell #33583
01/11/2015 10:43 PM
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Starting to figure out where we might go and was wondering if the following locations are pretty calm or are they exposed to possible swells.

1.little harbor JVD
2. Diamond cay (daytime)
3. Leverick..I think this one is safe
4. Haul overs bay Cooper island
5. the Bight..

Just wondering if these might be ok for the.night. We will be there the first week of February..



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Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: perky] #33584
01/11/2015 11:21 PM
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All you mentioned should be OK.

Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: tradewinds] #33585
01/12/2015 01:20 AM
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Agreed. How about an opposite list. Ie moorings exposed to swell.


Warren S/V Scuba Doo
Lagoon 50 (winner of best crewed yacht under 55 feet at the St. Thomas crewed yacht boat show).

https://www.cyabrochure.com/ebn/2307/pdyrX/6642/4///
Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: warren460] #33586
01/12/2015 05:25 AM
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Starting to think I can't always predict so well so I have a secondary in mind with a third in reserve. I try to make sure I can hit the alternates before sunset.


Life involves risks, take some prudent ones (NOT with the BVI ferries)!
Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: beerMe] #33587
01/12/2015 08:14 AM
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9-10 ft swells today. We're avoiding Cooper, Dog, Cam and Lee Bays with Marina Cay a maybe. Hoping to reach North Sound, but will bail out at Trellis if today's high winds and swell make banging to wind annoying. We may bypass White Bay on Guana Island, but hope to stop for lunch and check conditions.

We never take a ball or anchor in White Bay JVD. We've spoken to too different crews that spent a night at White Bay earlier this week. They described dangerous conditions with the swell, and it was smaller then.

Cheers, RickG


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Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: RickG] #33588
01/12/2015 08:17 AM
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White bay jvd is a day stop in adequate conditions only.


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https://www.cyabrochure.com/ebn/2307/pdyrX/6642/4///
Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: warren460] #33589
01/12/2015 08:22 AM
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Rick, are you sure about the large swells? I don't see that on windguru. But your there and I'm looking out the window at snow.


Warren S/V Scuba Doo
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https://www.cyabrochure.com/ebn/2307/pdyrX/6642/4///
Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: warren460] #33590
01/12/2015 08:43 AM
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Warren, here's my wind guru. Its a good predictor of conditions in 8 hours. We use windguru too, it's a consensus of a couple of models. Buoy 41043 is real time.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41043

Need more Bailey's in my coffee for today's sailing.

Cheers, RickG


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Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: RickG] #33591
01/12/2015 08:47 AM
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I wondered the same thing. There is no swell forecast for the entire week. Looks a bit windy with the standard wind chop but all the anchorages should be fine.
George

Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: GeorgeC1] #33592
01/12/2015 08:53 AM
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Rick, I think you are getting The north swell confused with wind driven waves. They are very different issues. With the numbers I am seeing all the anchorages should be fine. Your buoy will show larger waves from the wind then you will actually see in most of the BVI. The waves will be from the direction of the wind not the N to NNE you get in a winter swell.
G

Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: GeorgeC1] #33593
01/12/2015 09:02 AM
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Here is the best site for a local forecast. If there was a swell they would add something like this to the end of each daily forecast. "Swell from N to NNE 2 to 3 meters". When you see that you know to stay clear of the places impacted by the N swell. With your current forecast of brisk wind many of those anchorages like Cane Garden Bay will be the best places to actually go. White Bay on Guana and Marina Key should be fine also. It will be windy at Marina Key.

http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/fmtbltn.pl?file=forecasts/marine/coastal/am/amz715.txt

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Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: GeorgeC1] #33594
01/12/2015 09:05 AM
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The swell has dropped to about three feet today (this from Apple Bay)..boats were happily moored in CGB last night..

Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: Manpot] #33595
01/12/2015 09:13 AM
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We need a swell cam in cane garden bay. That would be cool! And useful. All we need to see are our mono masts. The meter should say stay or stay away.


Warren S/V Scuba Doo
Lagoon 50 (winner of best crewed yacht under 55 feet at the St. Thomas crewed yacht boat show).

https://www.cyabrochure.com/ebn/2307/pdyrX/6642/4///
Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: warren460] #33596
01/12/2015 11:53 AM
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Villa Euphoria Leverick Bay, P...
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Here at Leverick, the wind is howling, has heen since last night. I ' m guessing 20- 25 knts. Lots of chop and white caps in Norh Sound. That always means heavier chop outside the sound. A treat day to sail down the chanell, But,not so much taking up SFD.


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Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: mdoyle9999] #33597
01/12/2015 08:22 PM
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I think I will never understand how swell develops in the BVI and how experts can predict it. BTW: It is said that on JvD Great Harbor etc. is bad with north swell because the waves from north were reflected in the USVI and come back to JvD. It is hard to "believe"/imagine this :-)))

Re: Moorings subject to winter swell [Re: sunbvi] #33598
01/13/2015 01:56 PM
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sunbvi said:
I think I will never understand how swell develops in the BVI and how experts can predict it. BTW: It is said that on JvD Great Harbor etc. is bad with north swell because the waves from north were reflected in the USVI and come back to JvD. It is hard to "believe"/imagine this :-)))


This site does give you a good perspective of 'how swell develops' and the predictions being used.
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/waves/viewer.shtml?-multi_1-latest-hs-US_puertorico-


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