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Re: Two gas stations robbed today.
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11/30/2015 10:11 PM
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Absolutely!! To both Carol and Scubaman's posts!! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Two gas stations robbed today.
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11/30/2015 10:48 PM
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lobstaroll--I agree, this particular incident seemed to be isolated to the Dutch side, not sure it's a matter of opinion? Not sure what this has to do with policing on both sides of the island?
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Re: Two gas stations robbed today.
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12/01/2015 02:06 AM
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Horrible news, especially the killing of someone. They need to be prosecuted fully.
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Re: Two gas stations robbed today.
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12/01/2015 10:31 AM
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They have not even been tried yet, so no, they have not been sentenced yet.
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Re: Collaboration between sides
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12/02/2015 06:06 AM
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dlbert said:
It's about time the SXM Govmt started tackle these issues globally instead of just shooting at the last robbers and waiting for the next ones. Good statement!
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Re: Two gas stations robbed today.
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12/02/2015 02:38 PM
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I commend not only the police for their quick actions, but also the witnesses who weren't afraid to come forward.
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Re: Two gas stations robbed today.
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12/02/2015 02:46 PM
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roadrunner said: it's so sad We used to go to St Martin 2 times a year Now we dont go anymore because of the acts of violence. Honestly, most of the recent victims have been locals. Shop owners, police officers and so on. Crime here is not greater than in most of the USA, that does not prevent me from visiting the States whenever I can.
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Re: Two gas stations robbed today.
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12/02/2015 08:19 PM
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Locals or visitors, people are not going to want to frequent a place that has an overabundance of crime of any type.
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Overabundance of crime in SXM ? not so sure.
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12/02/2015 09:22 PM
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ruralcarrier said: Locals or visitors, people are not going to want to frequent a place that has an overabundance of crime of any type. With an average of 13 murders per 100'000 people, St Martin is well below the Caribbean average, for example Jamaica has 52 per 100k people. This is not by any means an overabundance of crime. Tourists still flock to the Bahamas where the murder rate is 30 per 100k and that in the US Virgin Islands is even 33 per 100k.
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Re: Overabundance of crime in SXM ? not so sure.
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To me, statistics mean nothing. SXM needs to get a handle on the crime situation, period. There is way too much SERIOUS crime on SXM.
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Re: Overabundance of crime in SXM ? not so sure.
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Agree completely, Carol but haven't we been singing that song for a good fifteen years or more? I know it wasn't like this in the 70s or the 80s or even in the nineties as I recall, and in the late nineties we started hearing a lot about island crimes of passion. But OMG, the gun violence of the past five to ten years is heart-breaking regardless of who it's directed at. A life is a life is a life. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Overabundance of crime in SXM ? not so sure.
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No, actually, I don't think so. It's not a matter of petty crime any more in SXM. Serious, VIOLENT crime, against locals AND tourists.. To me, the concept that tourists should not be concerned about crime against locals is abhorrent. Yes, to some extent, crimes of locals against locals, where people know each other, and the motive is PERSONAL, yes, that is somewhat different. But all these robberies of grocery stores, casinos, jewelry stores, etc., etc., etc., this is random, SERIOUS, violence against another human being, and should not be tolerated in a civilized society.
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Re: Overabundance of crime in SXM ? not so sure.
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12/02/2015 11:51 PM
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dlbert said: With an average of 13 murders per 100'000 people, St Martin is well below the Caribbean average, for example Jamaica has 52 per 100k people. I was curious, so I looked it up. The national average in the USA for murder is 4.5 per 100.000. In my home state of NC, the rate is 5.1 per 100,000. So by my calculator, the US is 3 times safer than SXM. However, what I worry about as a visitor is theft, and I was definitely hit by this. This is the only place in the world I have visited where theft was an issue (for me).
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Re: Overabundance of crime in SXM ? not so sure.
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12/03/2015 07:19 AM
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Carol_Hill said: No, actually, I don't think so. It's not a matter of petty crime any more in SXM. Serious, VIOLENT crime, against locals AND tourists.. To me, the concept that tourists should not be concerned about crime against locals is abhorrent. Yes, to some extent, crimes of locals against locals, where people know each other, and the motive is PERSONAL, yes, that is somewhat different. But all these robberies of grocery stores, casinos, jewelry stores, etc., etc., etc., this is random, SERIOUS, violence against another human being, and should not be tolerated in a civilized society. My opinion only but back in the 70's SXM people seemed friendly & happy. Then tourists---especially from USA---flooded in changed things, built hotels, high end stores etc. Changed what they saw as paradise into what they wanted in a vacation spot. Islanders see this and not all change has given them high paying jobs so they want what they see others have and the only way they think they can get it is by crime. Someone here gave statistics on crime in Jamaica. We didn't like what we saw there and never returned. But we keep returning to SXM. My point is we Americans and tourists have created some of the problem. In my opinion.
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Re: Overabundance of crime in SXM ? not so sure.
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12/03/2015 08:37 AM
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Re: hearing about violent crime in the 70's or 80's....that would be before everyone frequented the internet so the only way to know what was going on was by being there and reading the paper.
It would make sense that there WAS less crime because the Island was less active and less developed.
Pat: this was not really directed towards you but I could not find a way just to make a comment without replying to someone
Edited to add: Major <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> on me...I just noticed the box below the thread to respond to the thread and not a person
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Re: Two gas stations robbed today.
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12/03/2015 10:58 AM
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