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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: SXMWendell]
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01/11/2016 01:02 PM
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So if I get this right, the original proprietors were never going to lose "their spot", but their rent sky rocketed, THEY have to rebuild the interiors and no thought was given to a proper layout? Kitchens aren't cheap, if proper water and sewer lines were run why is the parking and roads still a disaster, they would have been fixed with the construction. Each owner can't possibly fit their old kitchens into the new set up. Glad Orient isn't my beach of choice, haven't been since Elisa and the original Bikini Beach BS!!!
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: SXMSAMMY]
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01/11/2016 01:13 PM
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Did anyone really expect much of a different outcome?
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you....." sure rings a bell with me. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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pat
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: kish]
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01/11/2016 02:06 PM
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Interesting that they also recite that building codes were not followed, and one does wonder what 3.8 million euros went for, as it seems like a lot of money for what there is there. As far as water is concerned, my understanding is that the tenants will have to pay to connect the water. I wonder what will happen at this point.
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: NJHarry]
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01/11/2016 02:13 PM
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Hmmmm, I wonder what that does to the price of a burger? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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pat
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: NJHarry]
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01/11/2016 02:15 PM
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And supposedly the rents for the lolos in Grand Case are only 500 euros. Huge discrepancy..
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
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01/11/2016 02:35 PM
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pat said: Hmmmm, I wonder what that does to the price of a burger? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> That is exactly what I was thinking.
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: pat]
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01/11/2016 02:46 PM
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pat said: Did anyone really expect much of a different outcome?
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you....." sure rings a bell with me. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> Sadly, this is probably true in any language and in any country. I guess this will all eventually play out and it is totally out of any control of ours but it sure doesn't seem to be starting out well.
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: gotaluvit]
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01/11/2016 02:50 PM
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I think the announcement of what the rent was supposed to be was made around the end of November, but the proposed tenants had to make their applications a long time before it was announced what the rent was supposed to be. $2500 a month--every month--including August, September, October, when it is totally dead on island??? Recipe for a bankruptcy..
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: gotaluvit]
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01/11/2016 02:55 PM
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My take on this is that they probably want to discourage the original operators from coming back and so they set the rent at a price they knew they couldn't really afford. They had 80 other people apply to rent these buildings so they will move on to get other renters if and when the originals decide to pull out because of all the problems they are discussing regarding rent and construction. Time will tell how this scenario plays out. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: islandgem]
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01/11/2016 03:07 PM
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At those prices, I wonder if those other entrepreneurs will still be interested. The restaurant business is one of the hardest and most competitive businesses you can be involved in not to mention the demands it makes on you physically.
People are still cost conscious as can be seen by so many of the posts we both make and respond to are any indication.
Let me think about this - a twenty dollar burger and fries washed down with a ten dollar glass of wine - or - a sandwich brought in your cooler with a two dollar beer? I think those prices will at least promote the sale of beach coolers but it will take an awful lot for the small businesses to put those rents away for the low season, cover the daily overhead, the cost of goods and salaries for staff and when all that is handled, still have something left for themselves when all is said and done. Good luck with that.
And then there are all the other issues like the disparities between other rents held by the Collective just for starters. This just doesn't look too good no matter how you slice it. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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pat
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: dlbert]
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01/11/2016 03:36 PM
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They were required to apply for the AOT's without knowing what the cost was going to be. Whether it's a 'swindle' or not is open for discussion, but this is a lease contract with the Collectivite', and my understanding is that they have not actually signed the leases yet...
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: SXMScubaman]
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01/11/2016 07:38 PM
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SXMScubaman said: Who says the big places are only paying 450? 450 was the lolos price in grand case not the orient larger establishments. I have no idea what the "larger establishments" are paying but a former restaurant operator alluded to the FACT they were only paying 450 Euros/month before the new buildings. “ We cannot afford to pay the restaurant rent of 2,500 euros per month; it is very high,” said Leandra Carti from Chez Leandra. “That’s a big difference to the 450 euros we paid before."
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: ruralcarrier]
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01/11/2016 07:42 PM
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Exactly, JD!! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: SXMScubaman]
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01/11/2016 07:52 PM
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Who is worked up over it? I said I have no idea what they are paying and can only go by what was in the article. For all we know perhaps the places at different locations (bigger or smaller) may be paying way less. It could also depend on their location on the beach.
J.D.
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: dlbert]
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01/12/2016 08:11 PM
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Yes, the amount of the rent for the restaurants has been mentioned here numerous times. 2500 E is correct. You should apparently read here more often? The other number is not. The amounts for the rents for the restaurants and the shops has ben posted in several notes so far. I can't remember the number for the shops off the top of my head, but I think they range from something like 600 E to 400 E.
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
[Re: boucharda]
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01/13/2016 08:51 AM
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I posted a separate thread and link to the article. Link
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Re: All is not well with the owners on Orient Beach co
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01/13/2016 11:08 AM
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boucharda said: The tenants had a meeting with Gov't officials yesterday and the lease fees will be reviewed.
The Gov't also requested that the tenants submit income statements for the last full year to back up the excessive rent claims. (from Daily Herald article this AM) Reminds me of a scene from the movie Vacation when Chevy Chase asks the mechanic how much it cost for the car repairs and the mechanic laughs and says "How much you got?". Chevy says "No really". Mechanic repeats, Chevy ends up giving him all his cash and says "What does your sheriff think of your business practices?" and the mechanic flip out his sheriff badge.
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