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Sad happenings at Club O beach
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03/02/2016 05:16 PM
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Today a man from one of the cruise ships drowned. Apparently he and his wife swam out to the raft, he dove off the raft and didn't come up. By the time they got him out of the water he appeared to have passed away. The beach guys and other people did CPR for about 25- 30 minutes until the ambulance arrived from La Savanne. He may have had a heart attack. They had a defibulator and they worked on him for quite a while. Unfortunately he passed away. The couple may have been Middle Eastern as the wife was calling out what someone said was Middle Eastern sounding. The poor wife of course was broken hearted. So very, very sad.
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Re: Terrible happenings at Club O
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03/02/2016 10:33 PM
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There is a small compact machine that is called an "AED" which stands for "Auto External Defibrillator". Sells for about $1200.00, and all first responders in my area are trained to use them. You will see them at most public places (malls, etc), and are mounted in a glass type enclosure on the wall. The machine will give audible instructions when you open it, and tell you exactly what to do, such as, bare the chest, place pad A on upper chest area, and pad B on lower chest area, etc. Then the machine actually takes a reading on the victim and if no pulse is detected, it will tell you to "push the activation button, and stay clear of the victim". It will then "shock" the victim, but only if no pulse is detected. The machine will tell you when to shock again, or continue CPR. I notice more and more of them at local stores (Wal-Mart),and the staff of the stores are trained (for the most part) on how to use the machine. Some of the Supervisors that work the road at my Sheriff's Office carry them in their units. Depending on the time the victim at Club O was submerged, it might not have worked, but it is always worth a chance to try. I have never seen one of the AED machines anywhere on a Cruise Ship, nor anywhere at Club O when we stayed there. Maybe they are just in the US.
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Re: Terrible happenings at Club O
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03/02/2016 10:47 PM
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Once they construct a Lifeguard Station at Orient Beach, then hire a Lifeguard, then maybe they will buy an AED for the Lifeguard Station. Until then, I wouldn't hold my breath.
And when is the last time you have seen a fire extinguisher anywhere on the island? Not something that seems important here?
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Re: Terrible happenings at Club O
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03/02/2016 11:09 PM
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Not to be negative, but unless you are going to personally donate the AED, it's not going to happen in the foreseeable future.
Rah Rah Rasputin They put some poison into his wine He drank it all and said "I feel fine"
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Re: Terrible happenings at Club O
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03/03/2016 09:07 AM
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There are, in fact AEDs at Club Orient. Well there were last year. I will be there in a few days but maybe someone who is there now could confirm their presence. As to the OP's choice of title for the post, I'm sure Club O would have preferred a different one as this terrible tragedy really didnt happen at Club O but apparently in the waters in front of the resort. Haven't been able to find any media reports on this so far.
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Re: Terrible happenings at Club O
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03/03/2016 12:25 PM
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Interesting observations all and good advice. CPR training is important and has saved many lives. My company always made it mandatory for employees to be certified in both first aid and CPR. Since retiring however I find the availability of such training pretty scarce. The issue of liability has long been settled here in the U.S. but on foreign soil I'm not so sure.
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Re: Terrible happenings at Club O
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03/03/2016 12:53 PM
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It's unclear whether the defibrillator was on site or brought by the ambulance. I read it as the latter. Not all defibrillators are created equal. The latest are the kind described above.
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Re: Sad happenings at Club O beach
[Re: deirdre1]
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03/03/2016 05:14 PM
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deirdre1 said: As a follow up to my post this morning, there are three AED's at Club O. We gave a restaurant worker a ride this morning and asked him about yesterday's incident. The location of the AED's are water sports, by the rest rooms at Papagyo and the reception area. Observers reported the incident taking place around 2:15 PM. One person reported seeing pads on the chest of the man as they were working on him. The AED was not in the case today at Papagayo as it was empty but if memory serves me they may have taken the the machine to download the details as it recorded events. They would also have the battery checked and new pads installed. Others with more experience with the AED May want to comment. Good to know . Thanks for that. Your assessment of the procedure for after these machines are used is spot on. Cheers
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Re: Sad happenings at Club O beach
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03/03/2016 09:44 PM
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Just saw on the Port of St.Maarten cruise ship schedule that 2 ships there on March 2 were Mein Schiff (German) and Norwegian Spirit. http://201.220.14.28/sxm/MainMenu.aspx?ShipScheduleType=2interestingly, there is nothing about this sad occurance at Club O in the "News" section of CruiseCritic website, which generally reports any illness or demise of a cruise ship passenger. (Hope I haven't violated any rules of this board by mentioning another travel website. If so, forgive me please.)
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Re: Sad happenings at Club O beach
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03/03/2016 10:30 PM
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Just curious, the Automatic Defibrillators speak instructions to you, the ones at Club O speak French? I assume.
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Re: Sad happenings at Club O beach
[Re: Phiaman42]
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03/04/2016 09:11 AM
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There is no doubt that AEDs are a must have item but they do require training in both their use and maintenance It should also be noted they are designed to be used along with CPR and not as an alternative to it. They are available in many languages depending on the manufacturer. It would be good to know if there are people at Club O (or anywhere else you are staying) who are trained in their use and when those folks are on duty.
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Re: Terrible happenings at Club O
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03/04/2016 10:02 AM
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It is true the machine will deliver instructions and in the U.S. good Samaritans are protected under the law. This does not mean however training in CPR and the use of these machines is not necessary. Every manufacturer recommends training and many states require "medical direction" in their use. The placement of the pads is crucial relative to position and air pockets(which will cause sometimes severe burns) to insure effective delivery of the shock. It is recommended cell phones be turned off or be at least six feet from the unit. Yes when there is no one trained available a lay person could(and should) operate one but they are designed for use by trained personnel.
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Re: Terrible happenings at Club O
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03/04/2016 12:52 PM
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Such a sad occurrence but kudos to you and to all the others who tried to help.
Forty minutes for an ambulance to arrive is a whole other issue, and has often been a concern we've considered given the traffic and roads of the island.
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