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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/20/2016 01:54 PM
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Never been on one that had one...yet.
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/20/2016 02:11 PM
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CGB said: ok...thanks but - any reason for not having them? is it the cost of installing or, maintenance, and finnickiness of the equipment? Yes. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/20/2016 02:12 PM
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I think Maintenance is a big reason not to have them. It's simply an unnecessary item on a charter boat.
Matt
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/20/2016 02:13 PM
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$$ and more gear to break. If I had a boat in charter I'd put a water maker on it to reduce the number of times charter guests had to hit the water dock.
The amenities on charter vessels are in a bit of an arms race with gen/ac pretty much the standard for all but smaller monohulls. Water makers are creeping in. The amount of gear you can load on a boat doesn't seem to have much limit. I'm pretty happy with a safe boat and cold beer.
Cheers, RickG
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/20/2016 02:22 PM
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CGB said: ok...thanks but - any reason for not having them? is it the cost of installing or, maintenance, and finnickiness of the equipment? All of the above but primarily maintenance and finnickiness I think. FYI - I think the entire MarineMax fleet has water makers along with some of the newer Voyage boats. I'm sure others will follow that direction.
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/20/2016 05:12 PM
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Some of the larger/newer Voyage yachts have water makers, which can come in handy. However, the "learning curve" can get in the way. With up to four tanks on board, shutoff valves on each, water maker fills one of the four ... makes my head spin. I usually get if figured out by the end of the week.
Noel Hall "It is humbling indeed, to discover my own opinion is only correct less than 50% of the time." www.noelhall.com
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/20/2016 07:40 PM
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I am going to put my two cents in here. We CYOA now have or will have by the start of next season 11 boats with water makers. I have personally installed several of them and over see the maintenance of all of them.
For the purists that want a simple boat, an oil lamp and an ice box you can skip what I am about to say.
Water makers are the new air conditioning. Remember the first time you rented a boat with a generator and air conditioning? Everyone of our repeat customers that have been on board a boat with one want their next charter to have one.
No more docking unless you want to. No more itinerary based on where can we get water. These boats transform the Spanish Virgin Islands experience. Cruise with the knowledge that you have the water and in most cases the ice maker on board.
Other benefits no more smelly heads. We use fresh water flush on our water maker equipped boats. Less maintenance for the boat owners and a better experience for everyone. Oh yeah and you can take showers as well. Real showers. You are on a luxury boat you shouldn't have to go to bed smelling like your camping. Your spouse will thank you for that one.
As for the comment above about the source of that water and the quality of it. All of our water maker equipped boats also have a drinking water standard filter system on the whole boat that includes a UV light. No more plastic trash to get rid of. As well as drinking water at every tap in the boat. The water coming out of these units is better than your tap water at home.
For a boat owner the reduced number of times that their boat comes in contact with a hard dock over five years and the wear and tear associated with that is likely worth the initial capital costs. Add to that the value of the water maker at resell time. Or the value as you cruise into the sunset post charter of having a critical piece of cruising gear already aboard and it becomes a no brainer.
Jay
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/21/2016 09:09 AM
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In places where it is difficult to get water, I could see a water maker being very nice to have. In the BVI, it seems we're always passing a place that we can get water. Never really been an issue for us, although we also rarely have a full boat.
Matt
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/21/2016 09:45 AM
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Smully said: Hey Colleen,
We arrive in STT on Saturday the 30th and set sail to Jost or Soper's on the 1st. We will be on CYOA's "Island Sister." Hopefully we cross paths for a cocktail! We have no itinerary!
Cheers! Jeff and J We arrive in St Thomas on April 30th at 12:30. Take a private water taxi to Tortola, head out on the boat on May 1st. We don't have an itinerary either, wherever the wind takes us. We turn the boat in on May 15th.
Colleen
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/21/2016 02:27 PM
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StormJib said:
One way to control water use. Make sure everyone starting with the suspected largest water user gets to hold the hose to fill the tank. In most cases one turn holding the hose turns the high user into the water police. I like this idea !!!
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/21/2016 08:56 PM
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LivinLarge said:StormJib said:
One way to control water use. Make sure everyone starting with the suspected largest water user gets to hold the hose to fill the tank. In most cases one turn holding the hose turns the high user into the water police. I like this idea !!! You mean I can't just stick the hose into the hole & sit on the swim platform with my iPad until water comes out the overflow vent? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/22/2016 12:58 PM
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We have chartered several CYOA boats with watermakers.....LOVE it..we had no issues at all and the water tasted fine
Capndar Masters 50 GT Sail/Power/Towing 3rd generation sailor
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/22/2016 02:27 PM
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SuburbanDharma said: You mean I can't just stick the hose into the hole & sit on the swim platform with my iPad until water comes out the overflow vent? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> You tell the newbies they HAVE to hold it so the hose does slip out <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
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Re: on board Water Maker
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04/23/2016 02:43 PM
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I have to echo Captain Jay's comments on the watermaker benefits. The top 3 upgrades we made to our Saba 50 Cuvée were the installation of a watermaker, water filtration system, and conversion to freshwater flush toilets. CYOA installed a Blue Water Desalination unit that produces 25 gph. It operates on 220v AC so we simply turn it on (as needed) while we run the generator in the late afternoon to charge the house battery and to power the A/C. The incremental diesel fuel burn is trivial. In addition to the usual seawater pre-filters (10 micron & 5 micron sediment cartridges), CYOA also installed an upstream diatomaceous earth media filter (think pool filter) that filters down to 30 microns and has its own backwash system. This has really extended the lifetime of the two cartridge filters. I ran the system in the opaque Chesapeake Bay last summer and the cartridge filters stayed very clean. The watermaker automatically performs a carbon-filtered freshwater backflush after each use.
The product water goes through a carbon block filter before it goes to the water tank. CYOA also installed a PURA three-pass water filtration system for the freshwater system. All water from the freshwater tanks (regardless of source) goes through a 5 micron sediment filter, a carbon block filter, and then the UV filter before it's sent to the taps, icemaker, freshwater flush heads, and showers. The filters are changed regularly.
The water has no odor or off-taste, and it saves lugging and then disposing of dozens of plastic bottles.
There are also none of the usual marine plumbing odors associated with seawater flush toilets.
We've only had two minor maintenance items with the watermaker - the boost pump impeller was damaged when it sucked up a plastic bag into the sea strainer and ran dry, and the salinity meter had to be recalibrated (a quick fix) when it starting rejecting all the product water.
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