thx all and Captain, naturally I was looking in a place called Pic Paradis with a road that went nowhere.....actually Bing Maps took me there and they are wrong..I had no idea Parrotville was nearer Orient. Got to get out more on the dutch side and explore, just that based in Terres Basses although great for Marigot and 20 mins or so from Grand Case...with traffic at times, its more difficult it seems to get my bearings in the Netherlands!!