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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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Which translates to the end of May (or maybe the beginning of June) 2018!
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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sugarae said: " Able to function optimally much sooner " Remember, "island time". Hey, I just posted a link to the article. I have know idea if it will be 3 weeks 5 weeks or 35+ weeks but I seriously doubt the airport will be ready for commercial air traffic within the time frame some are reportedly booking tickets for.
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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This time frame doesn't surprise me at all. From the pictures that I have seen there has been substantial damage to this facility. Just think about the roof for example. The article states 75% of the roof sheathing and insulation has been damaged. The article also states that this roof damage has caused leaks and mold to develop.
Before any interior repairs and/or mold remediation work can begin this building must be “dried in”, which means that the water must be kept out. You cannot start to clean up the mold if the building is still “wet”. Therefore, the first step in the repair process is going to be to fix the roof and windows to keep the rain out. Both of the windows and roofing materials are going to be special order materials made specifically for that building. That means that somebody has to determine the extent of the damage, figure out the materials needed for the repair, then order the materials. In a perfect world, this process could easily take 2 to 4 weeks. Then once the materials are ordered they have to produced, this process could easily take 6 to 8 weeks. Then they have to be shipped to the island, maybe 1-2 weeks. After the materials are received it will probably take at least 4 to 8 weeks to perform the actual repairs. That all adds up to 13 to 22 weeks before the inside can even be started.
I don’t think the airport can be open to commercial air traffic until at least some of the interior work can be completed. Not to mention that work can’t even be started until after the building is “dried in” and will take many, many weeks after that to complete, especially with all of the technology in a building like this. Unfortunately, for those folks that think they will be able to arrive anytime in the near future to an operational terminal open to the public, I think that idea is pretty much a pipe dream. My guess is the 35 weeks is a pretty good estimation of a time line.
I’m not trying to bust anyone’s bubble, but rather help those folks with a realistic synopsis of the situation.
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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..yet they are saying it will be open on October 6 for commercial traffic, but they basically will not be using the terminal building at all..
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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Still....just reading about all the OUTSIDE damage alone, including to the runway and fencing, lights, etc, I find it very hard to believe they're going to be ready for commercial flights in just over one week from today. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" />
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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THAT STORY IS COMPLETE BULL ! See this from Govt. source saying so: "No date set for restarting of commercial flights
PHILIPSBURG:--- Minister responsible for Aviation Affairs Mellissa Arrindell-Doncher has re-iterated that no official date has been announced by government for the resumption of commercial flights into St. Maarten. The Minister stressed that travelers need to be careful with any information unless it comes from the official source, in other words, the government of St. Maarten. She said there is some confusion being created by, among other things, airlines announcing dates that they hope to resume service to the island. In some cases, airlines are allowing people to book tickets although the green light has not been given by government to execute commercial flights. “We have stated before and will state again, the Princess Juliana International Airport has to meet various safety and operational regulations before it can handle commercial flights,” the Minister said. “When we are at that point to accept commercial flights again, we will announce this and in due time. At the moment there is no date. We urge potential passengers abroad and at home to wait on official notification,” she added. Press Release from the Ministry of TEATT"
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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Hmmmm, just a thought but could the word 'commercial' be the problem here?
Just thinking out loud, but to me, the word commercial would indicate anything that costs money but that doesn't necessarily mean passenger flights, does it?
Could they be opening the runways and the airport for shipping purposes only? Lord knows, there's a need for goods to come to the island quickly and that would not require the man-power or facilities that passenger flights in and out might require. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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I believe flights that are considered humanitarian (free?) or relief flights are exempt.
Commercial flights is where you buy a ticket to be a passenger, etc.
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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From the original article that started this thread:
"She added that while she understands the frustration of residents abroad wanting to come home and those in St. Maarten wanting to leave, the normalisation of commercial flights cannot commence until the airport is fully ready to service these flights. The Airport, she explained, falls under several regulations in terms of safety and operations of international flights. “We cannot jeopardize the status of the airport and that of St. Maarten by rushing operations at the airport,” she said."
Among the things needed to be done: "Attain critical systems needed for Air Traffic Services (ATS) to perform separation (classification D) of traffic."
i.e. to re-establish civilian air traffic control, they have no beacon or radar now; I have a feeling that is not up to international standards for commercial flights.
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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I didn't know that and I stand corrected. It sounded reasonable to me, though..... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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I never said that they needed the current terminal <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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I don't think that "visual in day time" is up to international requirements for Commercial flights.
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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Actually a visual approach is what all are making right now and what most make in normal times to PJIA (aka TNCM). The tower frequency 118.7 MHz is up. They have never has a precision Instrument Landing System (ILS) at PJIA. They do have a non-precision instrument approach to the PJM VOR (that funny antenna thing across from the casino). According to the NOTAM below, the PJM VOR Is out of service as are the lights, several frequencies. they have no JET FUEL. But they can conduct visual flight rules (VFR) visual approaches. Prior permission is required prior to arrival for humanitarian, military, etc. https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWeb/no...etrievalByICAOsTNCM PRINCESS JULIANA INTL [Back to Top] A0563/17 NOTAMR A0561/17 Q) TJZS/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/1802N06306W005 A) TNCM B) 1709281125 C) 1709291130 E) AD CLSD. HUM, MIL, SAR, HOSP, MEDEVAC AND STATE FLT ARE ALLOWED AND NEED PRE APV FOR TKOF AND LDG. TKOF AND LDG VFR OPS ONLY FM 1130Z TILL 2130Z. PRE APV CAN BE REQUESTED VIA FOLLOWING EMAIL LOUIS.HALLEY(AT)SINTMAARTENGOV.ORG OR BY PHONE +1-721-520-5339 A0555/17 NOTAMN Q) TJZS/QFUAU/IV/NBO/A/000/999/1802N06306W005 A) TNCM B) 1709241845 C) 1710081845 E) JET FUEL UNAVAILABLE AT TNCM A0544/17 NOTAMN Q) TJZS/QCACR/IV/B/AE/000/999/1802N06306W005 A) TNCM B) 1709201600 C) 1710201130 E) MAIN FREQ 118.7 MHZ AVBL TO CTC ATC TNCM. A0543/17 NOTAMN Q) TJZS/QXXXX/IV/NBO/A/000/150/1802N06306W040 A) TNCM B) 1709201600 C) 1710201130 E) TNCM DIRECT SPEECH CIRCUIT CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE DUE TO RESULTS OF HURCN. F) SFC G) FL150 A0542/17 NOTAMN Q) TJZS/QFMAU/IV/BO/A/000/999/1802N06306W005 A) TNCM B) 1709201600 C) 1710201130 E) MET SER NOT AVBL DUE TO RESULTS OF HURCN. A0541/17 NOTAMN Q) TJZS/QCAAS/IV/B/AE/000/999/1802N06306W005 A) TNCM B) 1709201600 C) 1710201130 E) EMERG FREQ 121.5 MHZ U/S DUE TO RESULTS OF HURCN. A0540/17 NOTAMR A0531/17 Q) TJZS/QSAXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/1802N06306W005 A) TNCM B) 1709201555 C) 1710201130 E) ATIS IS CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE DUE TO RESULTS OF HURCN. A0539/17 NOTAMR A0532/17 Q) TJZS/QNMXX/IV/NBO/AE/000/999/1802N06306W005 A) TNCM B) 1709201555 C) 1710201130 E) PJM VOR/DME IS CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE DUE TO RESULTS OF HURCN. A0538/17 NOTAMR A0533/17 Q) TJZS/QXXXX/IV/NBO/AW/000/150/1802N06306W040 A) TNCM B) 1709201550 C) 1710201130 E) TNCM ATS SUSPENDED DUE TO THE RESULTS OF HURCN. F) SFC G) FL150 A0239/17 NOTAMN Q) TJZS/QNBAW/IV/BO/AE/000/999/1802N06307W030 A) TNCM B) 1706182216 C) PERM E) PJD NDB 284.0 KHZ OUT OF SERVICE AND WILL BE PERMANENTLY
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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"But they can conduct visual flight rules (VFR) visual approaches. Prior permission is required prior to arrival for humanitarian, military, etc."
So are you trying to give the impression that they can open the airport for normal Commercial Flights in violation of certain other International standards for Commercial flights? I don't think so.
Your "cut-and-paste" does not address that issue, does it?
I never claimed that "visual approach" is not what they are using now. Rather that the condition of the air traffic control system is not up to international standards for Commercial Flights. Is visual approach without an operating civilian air traffic control system up to standards? This discussion is just getting ridiculous.
Point being is airport is not open for Commercial Flights, period.
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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Exactly. Let's wait and see when the SXM Govt. announces that the airport will be open to commercial traffic. The rest of this is just a waste of time.
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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I can agree with that <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/smashpc.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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Correct. For those who think a "shack" can be thrown up and the airport look like it was 20 years ago, that will not happen. The world as a whole has changed with security being a major part of that change. It isn't like Delta or AA is going to fly in, open the doors and passengers grab their luggage and they are on their way.
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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Carol_Hill said: Not sure what the "FBO Building" is that they are referring to?? FBO = Fixed Based Operator That's an Aviation Industry term used to describe a building that provides services for Private Aircraft. There's one or more FBO's at almost every airport.
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Re: PJIA Complete Recovery up to 35 Weeks
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Carol_Hill said: OK, so where is this building at PJIA?? Depends upon which one is usable. PJIA has four. Arrindell Aviation | Signature Flight Support (FBO) ExecuJet St. Maarten (FBO) Halley Aviation Services (Handler) Menzies Aviation St. Maarten (FBO)
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