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CORONA VIRUS #218857
02/26/2020 06:08 PM
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This nasty bug is spreading around the globe with potentially serious consequences for all and eventually including residents of and visitors to SXM.
We don't yet know when, where or how it will show up but it will. We do know that it is transmitted easily in aircraft and cruise ships and that it is especially dangerous for us older folks.
We may not be able to rely on local authorities to keep us informed and safe so I'm hoping that this forum will help with info re new cases.
Pay attention to updates from WHO and US CDC.

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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218861
02/26/2020 06:18 PM
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Little over 50 cases in US and over half were from the Cruise ship brought back to US with virus.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218874
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No need to panic. Take precautions. Wash hands, don't get too close to people, don't touch face, eyes, mouth, nose after opening doors etc. As far as SXM goes my guess would be the biggest threat would be cruise ships so hope the cruise lines and port authority do their job.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218879
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Gargle with Rum. cheers

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218902
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Zero cases as of this morning in St. Martin. Don't allow fear and panic to control you. Cruise ships that have been infected have been traveling in and around the far east. Those ships won't be arriving in St. Martin any time soon, from what I can tell. Yes, this is indeed a coronavirus (named for it's halo shape) and must be taken seriously, but in reality more harm can be done from the panic caused by something like this. Also, this type of virus should not spread as aggressively in warmer and more humid environments. So, St. Martin has that going for it.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: SammyM] #218935
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Sammy--Diamond Princess is the only ship that for sure had Corona onboard. The other ship, the Westerdam, which supposedly had someone onboard with Corona, the lady tested positive and then negative, so it may have been a false positive, which apparently happens. I think that is the biggest problem so far with this thing, that the test is apparently not very accurate, as there are several instances of negative and then positive AND the opposite, within close proximity in time. And perhaps an even bigger problem, a substantial portion of the people infected are asymptomatic, as in, NO symptoms. So they don't have any idea they have been infected. Ships are not really the biggest risk. It is people, travelling on planes. The Diamond Princess situation supposedly all started from ONE person who was infected, although I kind of wonder about that chronology now. Immigration officials can check for people who have recently been in China, but small cells are popping up everywhere now, such as in Italy. A tourist destination cannot stop everyone from coming in.

"Also, this type of virus should not spread as aggressively in warmer and more humid environments." Really? Where did you get that from?


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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: Carol_Hill] #218939
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There was a Costa shipped docked a day early in SXM due to not being able to dock elsewhere.

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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218956
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Hi Carol ... viruses spread more rapidly and proliferate at a greater rate in cold weather environments because colder air causes nasal passages and upper respiratory tracts to dry out which allows easier attachment by air born viruses. In warmer, humid weather our respiratory systems are more capable to fend off such viruses (that is why some people run humidifiers in their homes in the northern states where the air dries out significantly during the winter months). In addition, viruses are far more stable in cold, dry air because the particles can remain air born longer. In thick, humid air the virus droplets that emerge when someone sneezes will pick up moisture from the air and fall to the ground. Of course, this does not protect us from someone who has touched a door knob or faucet and didn't wash their hands. That is why we must resist touching our faces and rubbing our eyes during flu sneezes. These same principals should apply to a corona virus. It's a different type of virus that is still being understood, but it's still a virus nonetheless.

Where did I get this from? First, from the youngest son who's lab in California works with viruses on a molecular level, and then I e-mailed my pulmonary doctor at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio to get his thoughts about it and he provided essentially the same response. From what I am interpreting, many of the decisions being made by some countries has been based on fear and xenophobia. Some crazy travel bans have emerged in the Caribbean (like the cruise ship that had one person with a mild case of the flu) not being permitted to make port in Jamaica the other day). Fortunately, Mexico allowed the ship to dock and there was absolutely no corona virus on that ship. I highly doubt that travel bans can effectively prevent outbreaks when they arise; people will simply hide their symptoms from doctors and take medications to make them feel better.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: SXMScubaman] #218957
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Originally Posted by SXMScubaman
Little over 50 cases in US and over half were from the Cruise ship brought back to US with virus.

Please state your source. No mention on national news.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218958
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-covid-community-spread-case/4889999002/

"The U.S. has confirmed 60 patients, but is alarming because no exposure chain has been found."

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218962
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This is an accurate source.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218965
02/27/2020 12:02 PM
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Again, this really is not about SXM, but a worldwide situation. Moving this to SXM People Talk.


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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218980
02/27/2020 02:31 PM
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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218986
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The problem for travelers is not just the risk of getting infected. The bigger problem is being stranded somewhere in quarantine or with other loss of the ability to travel home. Fortunately for us, we are in a lull in our travels until May - and in any case we are moving into full retirement and can risk delay on returning home - but we have many friends who are canceling trips to various places which as of yet have no reported cases because of their need to get back home for various reasons and cannot risk getting stranded somewhere. We also have a travel agent friend who has said that for the last few days all she is doing is arranging cancellations and refunds.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: Snorkeller] #218989
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Very valid point. I cannot imagine if we had been on Diamond Princess, how we would be able to cope with the quarantine. Most of the US passengers on Diamond Princess were probably retired, but even if you're NOT working, can't imagine the disruption to people's lives as a result of the quarantine. ...which is not to say that it wasn't necessary, as it quite obviously was.


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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: Snorkeller] #218993
02/27/2020 03:33 PM
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I believe that quarantine caused some passengers to get infected as being on that ship was like a petri dish on water.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #218994
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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: SXMScubaman] #219008
02/27/2020 05:01 PM
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Agreed, I think a lot of people ended up infected because of bad isolation procedures on the ship. There were a lot of mistakes made all the way around. And officials in Japan are now admitting that.


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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #219017
02/27/2020 06:37 PM
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If this virus were to break out in SXM does the island have the capability to handle a quarantine?

Bill and Elaine come to mind. Should they wish to return to Conn. because of better health facilities could they be denied entry to US because of an outbreak in the area from which thy'd be coming?

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #219018
02/27/2020 06:54 PM
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I really feel there is a lot of fear mongering going on perpetuated by the press and politics. It's affecting the stock market and world economies in an adverse way. Sure the virus is real but the way some people and governments are reacting is over kill.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: SXMScubaman] #219063
02/28/2020 10:43 AM
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Covid-19 is effecting people emotionally more than their lungs.
I still prepare for the worst and hope for the best!

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #219094
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There were 80,000 reported cases of deaths from the flu last year in the USA, according to the CDC. I really don't think there is room for panic yet. And forget the surgical masks, they are for the people already infected with the flu to prevent spreading the virus through coughing, sneezing, etc. According to the medical news regarding masks, this corona virus can penetrate the masks. So save your money.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #219101
02/28/2020 04:50 PM
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From SXM news
"PREPARE FOR MORE SICK CRUISE SHIP PASSENGERS ST MAARTEN: Cruise ship sails to St. Maarten after COVID-19 scare. HAVANA – A British cruise ship turned away by the Dominican Republic after passengers suffered flu-like symptoms was awaiting approval to dock on the island of St. Maarten on Friday, officials said.

Dominican officials said they barred the Braemar from the Romana cruise port — where the cruise had been scheduled to end — after its captain reported four Filipinos, two British citizens and two U.S. citizens under medical observation for symptoms such as fever, coughing, or breathing difficulty.

EDITED TO REMOVE MOST OF THE POST. In the future, please post a link. You can't copy and paste a whole story. Carol Hill

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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: SXMScubaman] #219104
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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: sxmmartini] #219106
02/28/2020 06:06 PM
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I can't red it because of my ad blocker. Oh well.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: sxmmartini] #219118
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OK, not sure why they suspected them to be infected with Corona, but certainly hope they are not. Does SXM even have the ability to test for Corona??


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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: Carol_Hill] #219121
02/28/2020 09:52 PM
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It's all the media hype causing all this hysteria.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #219166
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News bulletin: 1st death from c-virus in the USA reported.

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Saw that. Not sure where the person came from, maybe someone who was evacuated from China? I don't think anyone from the Diamond Princess was in Washington state..


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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #219193
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The USA has 34 million masks for health care workers but limited test kits???? Monday CDC will give the code for state labs to test for Covid-19 in the past only the CDC was testing for the virus. 10k citizens are self monitoring. This is a wait and see moment. When they can actually tests these people it will be a wake up call to all states to prepare!


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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: sxmmartini] #219212
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Originally Posted by LBI2SXM
News bulletin: 1st death from c-virus in the USA reported.

Originally Posted by sxmmartini
The USA has 34 million masks for health care workers but limited test kits???? Monday CDC will give the code for state labs to test for Covid-19 in the past only the CDC was testing for the virus. 10k citizens are self monitoring. This is a wait and see moment. When they can actually tests these people it will be a wake up call to all states to prepare!


Heard yesterday that no association was found. Person didn't travel to/from China, didn't go anywhere to come into contact but lives near a nursing home.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #219263
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Yes. He was in his ate 50"s with other underlying medical issues.

Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: jupiter] #219271
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Post deleted. Please post links. Carol Hill

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https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-age-older-people-higher-risk-2020-2

Moratality rates by age bracket and compare to other viruses. Over 50 is 1.somthing% and over 80 is 15%

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Re: CORONA VIRUS [Re: sxmmartini] #219378
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Originally Posted by sxmmartini


Awhile ago hubby received an alumni letter from Saint Raphaels about that trip and I said let's join them but we had already planned a March trip to SXM. There but for the Grace of God.....etc. If I'm gonna get it then let it be because I travelled home from SXM.

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Good reporting KenNDeb!

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