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Re: Crime
[Re: jamiegarrett761]
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10/18/2015 05:14 PM
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jamiegarrett761 said: Very sad, indeed. It seems to have worsened the past few years. Nowhere is free of crime but it really seems to be out of control. We stopped staying in Grand Case a few years ago because of the crime and now it seems that Simpson Bay is experiencing a crime wave. I hope the government gets it under control. Simpson Bay is having a crime wave? where do you get that?
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Re: Crime
[Re: Barbara]
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10/18/2015 05:38 PM
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I agree Barbara. One shooting is not a crime wave! It is definitely a sad situation when someone is shot, but a crime wave has a whole other definition.
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Re: Crime
[Re: Paris]
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10/18/2015 06:58 PM
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Paris said: I know everywhere has crime, but lately it seems lots of posts on it. Even robberies on the path to Happy bay, my wife and my favorite place. Wonder if the government knows the cost. Sadly after 5 trips we may never return. Back to Aruba again this year our 6th time. If you think Aruba is ''safer'' then good luck and enjoy your trip. The shootings today, and lately in SXM have not involved (thank god) tourists, but sounds more gang and drug related. It happens anywhere. I guess if you feel Aruba is safer, you may want to contact the Holloway family and get their take. Their daughter's body was never even recovered. Also, you may want to stay in the comfort of your own home, because I don't think there is anywhere anymore that crime hasn't happened. When you have a million people or so, some living in poverty,and in small areeasthings happen...may it be Saint Maarten, Aruba, New York, Palm Beach, or anywhere!!!!! The murders lately in SXM, are not mass shootings, like the ones we have seen in ridiculous numbers here in the good old USA. Also, thankfully, they haven't involved our kids or our schools. To think that one place is safer than another just is wrong....and it's too bad that St. Martin is getting the press it's been getting. I am just praying that the authorities find these idiots, and give them what they deserve.
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Re: Crime
[Re: EdB]
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10/18/2015 07:03 PM
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EdB said: [quote]Paris said: I If you think Aruba is ''safer'' then good luck and enjoy your trip. The shootings today, and lately in SXM have not involved (thank god) tourists, but sounds more gang and drug related. It happens anywhere. I guess if you feel Aruba is safer, you may want to contact the Holloway family and get their take. Their daughter's body was never even recovered. Also, you may want to stay in the comfort of your own home, because I don't think there is anywhere anymore that crime hasn't happened. When you have a million people or so, some living in poverty,and in small areeasthings happen...may it be Saint Maarten, Aruba, New York, Palm Beach, or anywhere!!!!! The murders lately in SXM, are not mass shootings, like the ones we have seen in ridiculous numbers here in the good old USA. Also, thankfully, they haven't involved our kids or our schools. To think that one place is safer than another just is wrong....and it's too bad that St. Martin is getting the press it's been getting. I am just praying that the authorities find these idiots, and give them what they deserve. Holloway is the only crime I've heard about in Aruba. That's not to say there hasn't been any but nothing much reported.
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Re: Crime
[Re: BeachKitten]
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10/19/2015 04:43 PM
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BeachKitten said: And I'm sorry Ro, if you didn't frequent this board I doubt that you'd hear about SXM either. It doesn't make news. You only know about it because you follow it. also frequent an Aruba board and have friends living there so that's where I get my info on crime in Aruba and it in no way compares to what I read on this board. When in Aruba we have no fear of walking at night or of taking a bus whereas I'd never do this is SXM.
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Re: Crime
[Re: SXMScubaman]
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10/20/2015 08:32 PM
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And I have frequently heard LeGalleon (sp?) referred to as the 'baby beach' - probably because it is often thought of as a great beach for families with small children. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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pat
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Re: Crime
[Re: pat]
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10/20/2015 08:36 PM
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So, Laurel needs to define where she's talking about, as I haven't heard of this situation before now.
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Re: Crime
[Re: Carol_Hill]
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10/20/2015 09:08 PM
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Nor have I, Carol, but she was in SXM not that long ago so perhaps it was something not published? I don't know either. The only missing woman I've been aware of was the missing California wife from a few years back.....and then there was a young man about a year or so ago but nothing recent along those lines. Perhaps Barbara might see this and may know about it. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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pat
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Re: Crime
[Re: pat]
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10/21/2015 01:01 AM
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And, I've also heard one of the sections of Cupecoy referred to as 'baby beach".
I'm going where the weather suits my clothes.
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Re: Crime
[Re: PreK176]
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10/21/2015 07:21 AM
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You are correct. A quick Google search for "Robyn Gardner Aruba" turned up several stories.
Although I do believe there is a section of Cupecopy that is referred to as "Baby Beach" also.
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Re: Crime
[Re: PreK176]
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10/21/2015 07:42 AM
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Laurel,
Thanks for the clarification on the location of Baby Beach as mentioned in the earlier post, and I guess because I'm not a big personal fan of Aruba, the incident you referenced had gotten by me.
Note to self - see what happens when you 'assume' as I did in thinking the reference was to SXM. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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pat
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Re: Crime
[Re: ruralcarrier]
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10/21/2015 07:44 AM
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51 weeks of visiting the island spread over 14 years and I have never felt afraid or weary on the island. I take the normal precautions like leaving nothing in the car, etc., but the possibility of a nuisance crime happening is possible anywhere so I would rather focus on the pure joy of my visit. I will be on the island in less than 4 weeks and the thought of crime won't enter my mindset.
When I am on the island my perception is that of the "Friendly Island". I enjoy interacting with both the residents and the other vacationers and about the only people that annoy me are those behind the pastry counter in a French bakery that act like they don't know what I mean when I ask for a chocolate croissant.
Be Happy! Simply because you deserve to be. 😁
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Re: Crime
[Re: gotaluvit]
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10/21/2015 02:17 PM
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Gotaluvit,
With all due respect, I'm laughing reading your comment. You really need to get out and around the island more. The crime on the island is and has always been on BOTH sides of the island as far back as I can remember, and sadly, given my years of visiting, that's farther back than I want to admit to.
The thing is, crime really is not well reported unless it's so big it can't be ignored, and then it's generally sensationalized and theorized with a healthy dose of speculation thrown in too, more often than not. And add to that, back in the days before internet we knew almost nothing about what was going on. Sometimes I think we might have been better off back then.
What's really troubling to me is the amount of serious gun related crimes of late across the island, and it has really grown and is definitely not limited to either side. Those who stay buried in one place may not be as aware, but trust me, it's across the tiny island we love and really isn't limited to one side or the other. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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pat
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Re: Crime
[Re: jeepers]
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10/21/2015 03:52 PM
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Jeepers,
While I can't recall all the particulars, yes, there have been gun related crimes on the French side as well as on the Dutch side. There was an article in one of the island papers recently that several people had been arrested for gun related crimes and at least one of them was deported immediately to Guadeloupe. At least there's one off the streets....
It's a very small island with open borders, limited police on both sides of the island, and people can and do move easily between the two countries which is but a small part of the problem, and to date I don't know if they've resolved the issues with regard to perpetrators committing a crime on one side of the island and fleeing to the other and the police departments lending mutual aid and assistance to each other. But some of these same things are exactly why so many of us love and keep returning to the island.
The thing is, we still go and enjoy but we are more aware and we try not to let these things ruin our enjoyment of a place we've loved for almost 43 years of annual trips.
This is a generalization, but most of the crimes that we read about are usually not of a nature that visitors would be effected by, but sadly, they do happen on both sides of the island and on the neighboring islands, too. Today, few places are without crime.
And that said, I still go a couple of times a year but with age I've become far wiser than in the days of those wonderful trips of 'back in the day' and I wouldn't dream of wandering, day and night, into some of the places we used to go. I do keep my car doors locked when out and about at night around the island. I make a point of using valet parking when it's available. I don't wear a lot of jewelry intentionally while on the island. And I can honestly say, in 43 years worth of trips, often visiting multiple trips in a year, the worse thing that has ever happened to us was having our rental car vandalized in a beach parking lot.
Our next trip is late November and with all that's been going on, I'm still looking forward to it and I don't think I'd be any more or less at risk in most of the places I'd like to vacation. Things happen everywhere, but they're the exception and not the rule. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
Respectfully,
pat
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Re: Crime
[Re: pat]
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10/21/2015 06:54 PM
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To all of you that are so worried about the crime, I have an offer for you. Stay home and let me take your rental unit that you have paid for, I will take a copious amount of vacation pictures and forward them on to you and you can imagine your own wonderful vacation moments without the worry of crime. If this sounds good to anyone than please just PM me and we'll make the arrangements.
If you pay my bar tabs I'll even get little gnomes painted in your likeness and include them in the photographs.
Be Happy! Simply because you deserve to be. 😁
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Re: Crime
[Re: Carol_Hill]
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10/22/2015 11:15 AM
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Carol_Hill said:SXM Justice Minister says crime is NOT up, just more violent. Daily Herald story We can relax now that the Minister has assured us that crime is not up - the criminals committing the same number of crimes simply are more likely to use violence while committing them - ???
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