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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: Boston]
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12/23/2015 11:52 AM
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You might want to ask about an autopilot too?
I leave my Garmin handheld at home now. Garmin and Navionics on the phone/tablet are just plain better than the handheld and are cheaper to update. The updated detail depths are great for places like Anegada harbor that have changing depths. But, they can drive the autopilot.
Cheers, RickG
S/V Echoes, 2003 Beneteau 423 Grenada
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: Twanger]
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12/23/2015 12:28 PM
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I've chartered boats with and without GPS receivers. I've also had a couple without autopilot. I always bring and use my own GPS as I'm the one who put in the waypoints and am familiar with it's operation.
The autopilot is no big deal, but it sure is nice on the run from Anegada to Jost!
Man...I still have marks on my back from the beating I took on this board a few years ago when I suggested I even looked at my waypoints for the trip into Anegada...I guess the times they are a changing.
Kirk in Maryland
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: RickG]
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12/23/2015 12:38 PM
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RickG said: You might want to ask about an autopilot too?
I leave my Garmin handheld at home now. Garmin and Navionics on the phone/tablet are just plain better than the handheld and are cheaper to update. The updated detail depths are great for places like Anegada harbor that have changing depths. But, they can drive the autopilot.
Cheers, RickG Do you use an Ipad? In sunlight, I just cannot see anything on my Ipad screen.
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: Kirk]
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12/23/2015 02:15 PM
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Kirk said: Man...I still have marks on my back from the beating I took on this board a few years ago when I suggested I even looked at my waypoints for the trip into Anegada...I guess the times they are a changing. Lol. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> Some people get a little 'over-zealous'. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" /> The "new" Anegada blue charts are even worse that the old ones, and the old ones were off significantly. Those of us who have been there a number of times have our own stock of way points set up that work for us. A good resource for navigation to Anegada can be found at this web-site BVI Pirate
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: deliveryskipper]
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12/23/2015 02:58 PM
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RickG
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We have a chartplotter, but for our recent SVI trip I relied on the ipad as first resort. It was bright enough under the bimini. But, it will not last for a long crossing on a single battery charge.
I bought RAM mount components and a $30 SUPCASE that is optimistically water resistant (worked). The ipad is mounted on the grab rail at the helm.
Cheers, Rick
S/V Echoes, 2003 Beneteau 423 Grenada
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: jboothe]
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12/23/2015 04:20 PM
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jboothe said: There's waypoints for Anegada?!? I just thought you headed pretty much north out of the north sound and followed all the other boats till you see the markers and then just followed them in. Yup. Rent a cat and follow a mono!
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: TackingAg]
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12/23/2015 05:55 PM
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Ahoy ... Brent here ... I guess because you have never done business directly with me that there is some confusion. It has been the same briefing for the past 5 years. With the bias/camber cut and little luff packing (rope/foam) on a +100% headsail I do ask the Captain to have a little sympathy for the Owner and furl rather than reef the jib ... as the weather dictates. Please use the GPS and Chartploter as much as you want, need, don't want, don't need? Yes, I prefer to have someone on the helm while underway due to CC Captains and fish traps, of course all the yachts have working auto helms if you need a break in open water, but not within a harbor ... again, for the safety of the yacht and in consideration of the Owner. Sorry if I take the safety, long term reliability, and conscientious operation of my Owners yachts personally.
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: Brent]
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12/23/2015 08:06 PM
12/23/2015 08:06 PM
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HiYa Brent, just a curious owner of a boat...NOT in charter. I see the point about the JIB roller furl. Now to the next question, if one has a mast furling main, then I would assume the same logic to apply making a roller jib+mast furl rigged yacht "un-reefable". I have a Bavaria Vision, which is typically referred to as a main sailer, with a lessor jib. Or maybe this is a question best asked on a technical sailing website. Either way, this is definitely off topic. It wouldn't be the first time on this board, I would be okay if the MOD deletes it
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: TackingAg]
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12/24/2015 10:40 AM
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TackingAg said: RickG, thanks - I just bought my RAM setup yesterday! Glad to hear it's worked for you. I went with the suction cup connector, though. Typically plenty of surface to work with, me thinks. Also went with the Lifeproof Nuud waterproof case. Good thing about having an older iPad Air is that they have plenty of overstock on eBay that folks are looking to get rid of for a good price. Typically a $90 case that I got for new for $25. We have navionics on our ipad , waterproof case, ram moint etc on Reef Song in addition to our garmin. always great to have a back up....when we chartered in Greece in Sept we relied heavily on tne ipad as the electronic chart was in the nav station down below <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
Kim
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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12/24/2015 12:30 PM
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Thanks again, all. Yes, my surprise was more in line with the comments above from mcevog and 706jim. (BTW, congrats mcevog on your L450!). While most on this board are pretty experienced with the BVI's and have much more sailing experience than the average bear, I think a chartplotter at the helm is important for most who sail in the BVI's - which is the training grounds for many. I would never invest so much in a charter yacht without putting another navigational aid in front of the people who I'm trusting to keep it safe. In ideal conditions and with some basic planning and navigational skills, the skipper should be fine in navigating the BVI's without looking down - where most is line-of-sight and the dangers between the first and next mooring ball are few. But I recall a time or two with dark clouds, ~20 kt winds, and sideways rain that the chartplotter at the helm was helpful in seeing how close to shore I could (should) go before tacking. Even if the map overlay was off from the displayed GPS positioning, I could see how far I could go using the displayed chart and what I could see around me (rounding West End from JVD and needing to tack off Leinster Bay, SJ in the middle of a 15 minute squall). Again, it's simply a good reminder for me (and recommendations to others) to check on the chartplotter details before committing to a charter, if that's important to you. Or to make sure you're prepared with whatever gizmo is best for you and you play around with it before the trip. Again, thanks all!
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: TackingAg]
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12/24/2015 01:01 PM
12/24/2015 01:01 PM
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I could get all nostalgic about when I first went to the islands, a chart plotter was a set of dividers a pencil and a rule, and some airplane pictures of the islands.
By far the best tool that I have now is an APP called "my radar" on my phone. When I see a little grey on the horizon...that turns black, I can be fully prepared that I have a pretty good idea if it is just a squall, or a dreaded "squatter". You know the ones that just sit there getting bigger...and BIGGER. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/cloud.gif" alt="" /> I have seen the most idiocy come from people going into a 50kts blower with full sails and untended dingies. Blown sails, flipped dingies, toppled rigs, blown biminis
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: BEERMAN]
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12/24/2015 01:54 PM
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Beer Man, Virgin Anchorages was the book with the overheads, awesome book to supplement the Cruising Guide.
A few weeks ago I made a night landfall to Ile de Vache on Haite, no shore lights, no crusing guide, no moon, drizzle, just GPS and depth finder, it was a bit stressful. We had 4 GPS running and all varied our position some.
Mike
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: mcevog]
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12/24/2015 04:07 PM
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Same as Kim: iPad with Navionics is my primary navigation tool with the onboard nav as a 'backup'.
Mike
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: sail2wind]
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12/24/2015 09:46 PM
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Seems like many are concerned about the entrance to Anegada, which you apparently only need a gps that will take you to the outside of the entrance channel. Once there, the channel markers are obvious. I choose to observe the final green buoy, before turning left. I see other catamarans heading directly toward the mooring field, perhaps not a good idea for mono-hulls.
Noel Hall "It is humbling indeed, to discover my own opinion is only correct less than 50% of the time." www.noelhall.com
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: NoelHall]
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12/24/2015 09:48 PM
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Oh, by the way, Anegada channel buoys are all there (and obvious), as of December 15th.
Noel Hall "It is humbling indeed, to discover my own opinion is only correct less than 50% of the time." www.noelhall.com
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: TackingAg]
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12/25/2015 12:15 AM
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I find both a GPS/chartplotter and an autopilot to be very useful.
GPS -- As an example, one time we were headed to Scrub Island Marina. We had been to Marina Cay and Trellis Bay multiple times before, so I should have been familiar with the area. But my eye/brain system got fooled, and I was somehow seeing Marina Cay as part of the Scrub Island shore line. So here I am believing my eyes and pointing the boat to the left of Marina Cay, and the GPS is telling me I need to turn to starboard. After puzzling over this I finally recognized Marina Cay for what it was, said "Oh #%*@", and got back on course.
Autopilot -- I love being able to take my hands off the wheel for multiple reasons. I can tack the boat without asking for help, read a chart, or just relax my hands and arms. I never leave the helm station for more than a few seconds, but I do find it helpful when I don't have to hold the wheel continuously.
Dan <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Cheers.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: hallucination]
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12/26/2015 10:39 AM
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hallucination said: I could get all nostalgic about when I first went to the islands, a chart plotter was a set of dividers a pencil and a rule, and some airplane pictures of the islands.
By far the best tool that I have now is an APP called "my radar" on my phone. When I see a little grey on the horizon...that turns black, I can be fully prepared that I have a pretty good idea if it is just a squall, or a dreaded "squatter". You know the ones that just sit there getting bigger...and BIGGER. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/cloud.gif" alt="" /> I have seen the most idiocy come from people going into a 50kts blower with full sails and untended dingies. Blown sails, flipped dingies, toppled rigs, blown biminis Thanks <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />...off to the App Store ...I am a notorious "lets reef now "gal as soon as I see the dark clouds ahead...super cautious and drive captain Ward crazy sometimes <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
Kim
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Re: Chartplotter
[Re: Sandsailsun]
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12/26/2015 11:08 AM
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Sandsailsun said:hallucination said: I could get all nostalgic about when I first went to the islands, a chart plotter was a set of dividers a pencil and a rule, and some airplane pictures of the islands.
By far the best tool that I have now is an APP called "my radar" on my phone. When I see a little grey on the horizon...that turns black, I can be fully prepared that I have a pretty good idea if it is just a squall, or a dreaded "squatter". You know the ones that just sit there getting bigger...and BIGGER. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/cloud.gif" alt="" /> I have seen the most idiocy come from people going into a 50kts blower with full sails and untended dingies. Blown sails, flipped dingies, toppled rigs, blown biminis Thanks <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />...off to the App Store ...I am a notorious "lets reef now "gal as soon as I see the dark clouds ahead...super cautious and drive captain Ward crazy sometimes <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> Smart Woman! G
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