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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
[Re: ggffrr11]
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-- you must leave in the same dinghy you came in hmm from what I've observed in the BVI this rule is: -- you must leave in the same(or at least similar)dinghy you came in
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/20/2016 10:12 PM
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One thought. Don't tie up so close to the dock. If you are going into a crowded dock let 5 or 10 feet of slack. This will allow others to get up to the dock to disembark and then they can push their dinghy out and free up space for others. 5 - 10 feet can more than double the capacity of crowded docks. When you return grab your painter line and pull your dink in board and get underway.
Just a thought.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/20/2016 11:02 PM
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sail445 said: You should only use a stern anchor at a crowded dock if the wind is blowing you onto or sideways to the dock. If the wind is blowing you onto or sideways to the dock it's a sign you've had about the right amount of rum.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/21/2016 11:23 AM
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-- Should the skipper manage to fall into the water while attempting to clamber from the dingy to the dock, it is considered impolite for scurvy crew members to point and laugh hysterically. Proper seamanlike demeanor is called for in this situation. Also beer.
-- Having water in the bottom of your dingy makes it both unsafe and uncomfortable for use. Always bail excess water into an adjacent dingy before departing the dock.
-- Approaching and departing dingy docks should always be accompanied by the loud singing of sea chanties, drinking songs, or college fight songs if a fight is what you're looking for.
-- If crowded conditions have forced later arrivals to raft up to your dingy, upon your departure it is only good manners to lash their flashlight pointing skyward and turned on in order to help them locate their dingy as it drifts out of the harbor in the dark.
-- As most dingy docks are relatively narrow, always remember to leave all sandy flip-flops, damp beach towels, empty beer cans, life jackets, and excess docking line in a neat pile in the center of the dock, thus reducing the risk of any of the items being accidentally kicked into the water by other less considerate seamen transiting the area.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/21/2016 11:44 AM
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Flotsam said: -- Should the skipper manage to fall into the water while attempting to clamber from the dingy to the dock, it is considered impolite for scurvy crew members to point and laugh hysterically. Proper seamanlike demeanor is called for in this situation. Also beer.
-- Having water in the bottom of your dingy makes it both unsafe and uncomfortable for use. Always bail excess water into an adjacent dingy before departing the dock.
-- Approaching and departing dingy docks should always be accompanied by the loud singing of sea chanties, drinking songs, or college fight songs if a fight is what you're looking for.
-- If crowded conditions have forced later arrivals to raft up to your dingy, upon your departure it is only good manners to lash their flashlight pointing skyward and turned on in order to help them locate their dingy as it drifts out of the harbor in the dark.
-- As most dingy docks are relatively narrow, always remember to leave all sandy flip-flops, damp beach towels, empty beer cans, life jackets, and excess docking line in a neat pile in the center of the dock, thus reducing the risk of any of the items being accidentally kicked into the water by other less considerate seamen transiting the area. HAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFLMAO!!! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/21/2016 12:16 PM
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Flotsam said: -- Should the skipper manage to fall into the water while attempting to clamber from the dingy to the dock, it is considered impolite for scurvy crew members to point and laugh hysterically. Proper seamanlike demeanor is called for in this situation. Also beer.
-- Having water in the bottom of your dingy makes it both unsafe and uncomfortable for use. Always bail excess water into an adjacent dingy before departing the dock.
-- Approaching and departing dingy docks should always be accompanied by the loud singing of sea chanties, drinking songs, or college fight songs if a fight is what you're looking for.
-- If crowded conditions have forced later arrivals to raft up to your dingy, upon your departure it is only good manners to lash their flashlight pointing skyward and turned on in order to help them locate their dingy as it drifts out of the harbor in the dark.
-- As most dingy docks are relatively narrow, always remember to leave all sandy flip-flops, damp beach towels, empty beer cans, life jackets, and excess docking line in a neat pile in the center of the dock, thus reducing the risk of any of the items being accidentally kicked into the water by other less considerate seamen transiting the area. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/21/2016 12:31 PM
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Almost forgot:
-- If there are no empty cleats available directly in front of your dingy, loop your painter around the nearest occupied cleat until completely covered in line, then for safety, extend your line to the opposite side of the dock and secure to the nearest available cleat. If no cleats are available there either, lace your dock line (a spare jib sheet may be added here if necessary for additional length) zigzagging from side to side and proceeding down the dock until an empty cleat is found. Remember, dingy security is paramount. Apparently.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/21/2016 03:00 PM
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sail2wind said: stern anchor? Ron, when was the last time you were actually in the BVI? Still rude. And BTW, he lives there, year round. For a long time.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/21/2016 03:32 PM
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casailor53 said:sail2wind said: stern anchor? Ron, when was the last time you were actually in the BVI? Still rude. And BTW, he lives there, year round. For a long time. Well, he must have long arms because he sure posts a lot from Pennsylvania. Even his Facebook page says he lives in Philly, and his previous name here was PA Ron.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/21/2016 04:09 PM
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tradewinds said:casailor53 said:sail2wind said: stern anchor? Ron, when was the last time you were actually in the BVI? Still rude. And BTW, he lives there, year round. For a long time. Well, he must have long arms because he sure posts a lot from Pennsylvania. Even his Facebook page says he lives in Philly, and his previous name here was PA Ron. Yeah, facebook, the final arbiter. He's lived in the BVI for over 15 years. I believe he still owns a home in PA, and does sometimes go there, for various reasons. But his principal residence has been the BVI since 1999. So what if he was "PARon"; I'm "casailor53", but haven't lived in California since 1965. Just play nice!
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
[Re: ggffrr11]
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01/21/2016 06:16 PM
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ggffrr11 said: [list] [list] What's the difference between a stern and a nice anchor? The stern anchor is much less lenient & carefree. I haven't met a stern anchor in the BVI yet... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Tonguea.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/21/2016 07:27 PM
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casailor53 said:sail2wind said: stern anchor? Ron, when was the last time you were actually in the BVI? Still rude. And BTW, he lives there, year round. For a long time. really, what is your definition of rude? No one uses a stern anchor at a dinghy dock, great way to foul someones prop. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/22/2016 08:16 AM
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LocalSailor said: Caneel Bay STJ dock requires a stern anchor
Docks with protruding nails, or in high swells or facing a strong onshore breeze or even docks built high enough to slide under may all be prudent places for stern anchored dinghies. Many down island docks on busy waterfronts will have a predominance of stern anchored dinghies. Very Well Said! Now read ALL the words... "Learn how and when to use a stern anchor, teach your crew. Chances are if you never learn to use a stern anchor properly you will be clueless to recognize when others have deployed one. That can lead to the ruin of everyone's evening. The first sign(to you) may be your own outboard jumping off the transom of your dinghy into the sea."
Ignorance and poor etiquette are the primary reason we do not see more stern anchors in the BVI.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/22/2016 09:12 AM
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casailor53 said:sail2wind said: stern anchor? Ron, when was the last time you were actually in the BVI? Still rude. And BTW, he lives there, year round. For a long time. I think casailor53 is really PA Ron aka Stormjib.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/22/2016 09:23 AM
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Stern anchors... OK, let's do this.
-- If upon approaching the dinghy dock it becomes apparent that a stern anchor may be warranted, there are several issues of importance to keep in mind to prevent your dingy from becoming an embarrassing menace to other craft:
First, even though deployed in this case as a secondary securing device, the proper size and type of anchor are not to be ignored. Most dingy anchors provided with charter boats are woefully inadequate for the task (cost savings?), so "trading up" may be required. Fortunately this is never difficult near a mooring field as there will be a good supply of large CQR or Rocna anchors conveniently located on any moored yacht's bow. Select and detach an appropriately sized model (55 lbs or larger is preferable), being careful to leave behind a thoughtful receipt such as a folded up dollar bill or better yet a piece of women's underwear.
Second consideration is diameter and material of the anchor line. Here again most charter companies fail miserably to provide sufficiently. Given the virtual certainty of your anchor line being run over by every other dingy approaching the dock, you'll need to use chain instead of the typical thin poly line provided. 1/2" to 3/8" galvanized should be considered minimum. Again, if none is provided, the yacht supplying the anchor can in all likelihood prove of further assistance in this regard as well.
Finally, as always, proper scope is critical, perhaps even more so in stern anchoring situations given the aforementioned certainty of attempted fouling by fellow seamen. 7 to 1 is considered minimum, with full points awarded for any length achieved in excess of this standard.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/22/2016 11:14 AM
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Flotsam said: Stern anchors... OK, let's do this.
-- If upon approaching the dinghy dock it becomes apparent that a stern anchor may be warranted, there are several issues of importance to keep in mind to prevent your dingy from becoming an embarrassing menace to other craft:
First, even though deployed in this case as a secondary securing device, the proper size and type of anchor are not to be ignored. Most dingy anchors provided with charter boats are woefully inadequate for the task (cost savings?), so "trading up" may be required. Fortunately this is never difficult near a mooring field as there will be a good supply of large CQR or Rocna anchors conveniently located on any moored yacht's bow. Select and detach an appropriately sized model (55 lbs or larger is preferable), being careful to leave behind a thoughtful receipt such as a folded up dollar bill or better yet a piece of women's underwear.
Second consideration is diameter and material of the anchor line. Here again most charter companies fail miserably to provide sufficiently. Given the virtual certainty of your anchor line being run over by every other dingy approaching the dock, you'll need to use chain instead of the typical thin poly line provided. 1/2" to 3/8" galvanized should be considered minimum. Again, if none is provided, the yacht supplying the anchor can in all likelihood prove of further assistance in this regard as well.
Finally, as always, proper scope is critical, perhaps even more so in stern anchoring situations given the aforementioned certainty of attempted fouling by fellow seamen. 7 to 1 is considered minimum, with full points awarded for any length achieved in excess of this standard. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" /> You should write a column for one of the sailing magazines. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/22/2016 12:53 PM
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SuburbanDharma said: <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" /> You should write a column for one of the sailing magazines. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Laugh.gif" alt="" /> I'd love to actually, the problem is the publishers won't even accept a manuscript if you've never had anything published by them in the past. In other words, you can't be published if you've never been published. (I've done a lot of technical writing, but that's a whole 'nother segment of the industry.) This, in my opinion anyway, is why everything you read in travel and sailing magazines sounds like it's all been written by the same 6 people. It has been. Anybody out there know anybody? I could use a retirement career! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Cheers.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/22/2016 12:58 PM
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jboothe said: This is probably more a reminder than etiquette. When using the grill and you bring your dinghy to the opposite side of the boat, remember that its there before starting the engine to charge the batteries. The raw water discharge will fill the dinghy and when you are ready to hit the bar later that evening its a real buzz kill to have to bail the water....just sayin. Like running aground that happens to the best of us. Always walk 360 and inspect what you expect before ever starting the engine, even if you think you are never going to put it in gear. Face plants happen on clutches and throttles too. Teach all the crew to never secure the dinghy without being aware and avoiding all the overboard discharges. Bilge, AC cooling water, exhaust generator and main(s) plus the fuel vent overflow.
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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01/22/2016 03:42 PM
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Chriskal said: Wait, those are all DINGHY docks? I guess that explains all the people screaming at me when I pull the charter boat in for happy hour. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Rofl.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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I never thought anyone but me appreciated Yaahting magazine. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> I think my youth wasted on Mad Magazine was the gateway. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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SteveInMD said: Am I overstepping here? Literally? Yes. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> Figuratively? I don't think so, how else can you get ashore? I've found that most people will help you open up a spot if it's really crowded & hold your line while you scramble onto the dock any way available. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dinghy Dock Ettiquette
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Here's my thoughts on dinghy etiquette, after having lived and sailed in the BVI for 40 years: - Approach the dock at a good clip, at least 10K. That will ensure that you 'bust through' any other dinghys in your way. - Have all of your passengers stand up and reach for the dock at the same time. That makes for a fun landing. - Raise your engine, because that will prevent any sea growth that might occur during the two hours that you are ashore. Nevermind that it will scratch the crap out of neighboring dinghys. - Have your least capable crew member secure the painter in whatever fashion that he/she chooses - it's good practice for the novice. NEVER check his work - that would be bad form. - When disembarking, have everyone stand at once and move quickly towards the dock. That again ensures an entertaining beginning to the evening. You know...lots to laugh about. - Make sure that you have LOTS of flashlights, and shine them in random directions. That helps with night vision. - When returning to the dinghy, try to make sure that there are at least three people standing up and 'helping' others board. Again, that makes for fun conversation later. - Have the most drunk person drive the dinghy, because he will probably go slowly. - Assume that you are the only boat on the water so late at night, and go as fast as you can. That will minimize your risk. - If heading into a stiff breeze, situate the fatties forward to hold down the bow, and go really fast. It will be a bit wet, but heck, they always complain. - If you can't find your yacht, NEVER admit it! Its a sign of weakness. Just keep driving around with confidence. You will find it eventually. - When approaching your yacht, follow the same procedures - approach at a good clip, have everyone stand and reach out, etc. It will again spark good conversation at night-cap time.
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