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Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? #86838
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A charterer of mine just requested a fishing license via a popular rental shop in Tortola and was told that "they are no longer allowed to have fishing licenses processed unless the boat that you will be sailing on is registered to fish in the BVI waters." I checked with my Charter Mgmt Company and apparently this is true. Has anybody researched what is required to register a charter vessel for fishing? Thank you! - Mark

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Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: SailOrion] #86839
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You have got to be kidding me!
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never heard of that one, usually an email and a credit card, get it the next day

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No joke ... I'll keep you all posted as to what we find out. Thanks - Mark

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I would be interested to find out too. We are bare-boating in July and one guy on the trip (his first) would like to be able to fish. It was our understanding that all he would need was a fishing license.


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Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: LivinLarge] #86843
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Are you sure they just didn't want the name of the boat to put on the license, which is typical.

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From everything that I see online, TRADEWINDS is correct -- they only need the name of the boat you are on.


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From everything that I see online, TRADEWINDS is correct -- they only need the name of the boat you are on.


And you really don't have to have that since for companies such as Moorings/Sunsail they won't tell you. I think for my last application I just put in "Sunsail Charter". They processed no problem. I also put the same info in registration.

Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: jboothe] #86846
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If anyone has any contacts with the folks running the islands or in the odd chance someone from the BVI leadership is listening. Why not slightly raise the charter or cruising permit cost and include "recreational fishing" say less than 3-5 fish in possession per boat to the charter/cruising permit. The folks processing the fishing paperwork could be redirected to making sure all the boats and visitors have the proper single document paperwork needed for visiting yachtsman. Flame me all you want. But, single simpler paperwork that raises the same or reasonably justifiable revenue from visitors is better all around. Make it clear and simple either you paid your tax to be on holiday visiting or you did not. Either recreational fishing is welcome or it is not.

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The best thing to do is to "not get a license". If the authorities pull up to your boat, hand the fishing rod off to someone else on the boat. Then, go down below. That's important: remember to go down below. If you have to come back up again, then act like you don't know anything about it. Then, ask if they'll let you keep the rod/reel as they haul off the law breakers.

Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: StormJib] #86848
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If anyone has any contacts with the folks running the islands or in the odd chance someone from the BVI leadership is listening. Why not slightly raise the charter or cruising permit cost and include "recreational fishing" say less than 3-5 fish in possession per boat to the charter/cruising permit. The folks processing the fishing paperwork could be redirected to making sure all the boats and visitors have the proper single document paperwork needed for visiting yachtsman. Flame me all you want. But, single simpler paperwork that raises the same or reasonably justifiable revenue from visitors is better all around. Make it clear and simple either you paid your tax to be on holiday visiting or you did not. Either recreational fishing is welcome or it is not.


How about you don't raise the cruising permit cost since not everyone cares about fishing and everyone complains when costs go up. If you want to fish, knock yourself out and pay for your own license. Don't try to spread your cost out to the rest of us.


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Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: ggffrr11] #86849
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The best thing to do is to "not get a license". If the authorities pull up to your boat, hand the fishing rod off to someone else on the boat. Then, go down below. That's important: remember to go down below. If you have to come back up again, then act like you don't know anything about it. Then, ask if they'll let you keep the rod/reel as they haul off the law breakers.


I know that is a joke and we have fished many times without any documentation. We stopped all that cold when they took the guy's boat. Even if it is "just a rental". Having the boat confiscated will be a nightmare for you and a long list of other people.

"ST. THOMAS - A U.S. diplomat traveled to the British Virgin Islands this week, asking top leaders to consider granting clemency to a U.S. Virgin Islands sport fisherman imprisoned for fishing without a license in BVI waters.

Clyde Howard Jr., U.S. Consul General at the U.S. Embassy in Barbados, met with BVI Gov. David Pearey and Premier Ralph O'Neal on Tuesday and Wednesday to discuss the case of St. Thomas resident Richard Baker."



Baker, 54, has served six weeks of his 12-month sentence in Tortola's Balsam Gut prison. The sentence was handed down after he was unable to pay the $46,000 combined fine he received for unlicensed fishing and illegal entry.

Baker and his common-law wife, Deborah Barton, had been relaxing on their boat Sept. 24 with two fishing lines and artificial lures trailing behind them when enforcement officers boarded the vessel. The couple said they had not caught any fish and did not know they were in BVI waters.

The maximum fines for fishing without a license are more than 100 times greater in the BVI than an the USVI - $500,000, compared with $400.

At least two other USVI fishermen, Adin Kauffman and Ishmael Hodge, also have received fines of at least $30,000 this year for fishing in BVI waters without a license.

And in 2002 and 2003, a series of U.S.-registered boats found fishing in BVI waters were seized, causing public outcry and leading to lost business for the charter boat operations involved.

Howard called the BVI law, which doesn't distinguish between penalties for commercial and sport fishermen, "flawed.""

Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: JasonHelmbrecht] #86850
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I agree that not everyone wants to fish, so they should not raise the fee for everyone. But it would be nice if the fishing license could be available right at the charter company. We could pay the charter company and they would pay it to the government. The charter company is already collecting fees for the government, why not the fishing license too.


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Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: ggffrr11] #86851
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I can't recall any BVI government ever streamlining anything, particularly if it might require fewer civil servants.

Think about it: they have two people sitting in that airport departure tax booth from early morning until the last plane leaves. And that when they have other taxes embedded in the ticket price that could easily be increased. I bet they could add $15 to each ticket and come out ahead!

This government has never looked for any efficiency anywhere. Why should fishing licenses be any different? Sure, you can get one at any bait shop in the US. It makes sense: make it easy and you will sell more. Just not going to happen here in the BVI.

Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: RatmansWife] #86852
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TMM recently decided to register all of the vessels in their fleet after pollling the owners on their interest to do this, the fishing vessel registration fee will be paid by the owners of the yachts. If you are considering fishing during your charter you might ask your broker or charter company about the status of the registration or simply charter a vessel from TMM!

Cheers,

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Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: ggffrr11] #86853
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Just received my recreational, temporary fishing license on line today.
The application asked for the name of the yacht and personal identification. No mention of the vessel needing to be licensed. The Individual license to fish for 30 days was 45.00.
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Looks like I just made a donation to the BVI coffers...I'm not surprised, I've seen the BVI enforce some rules and then later relax on the enforcement. Remember the C&I Fees last summer when arriving or departing in a private vessel....

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Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: Twalsh] #86855
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Just received my recreational, temporary fishing license on line today.
The application asked for the name of the yacht and personal identification. No mention of the vessel needing to be licensed. The Individual license to fish for 30 days was 45.00.


How did you get the license? I have a trip in 10 days and I called one of the companies to get a license and gear and was told I needed the boat registration info and told to call the charter company who said they were still trying to understand the new rule.
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Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: Boatless] #86856
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Contact Conservation & Fisheries Dept., 284-468-2700. I uploaded application, identification and cc authorization to the dept. I received the license within 24 hours.

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Contact Conservation & Fisheries Dept., 284-468-2700. I uploaded application, identification and cc authorization to the dept. I received the license within 24 hours.


Thanks!!! I'll call them tomorrow

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I think I figured out the what has happened in this thread. The BVi has had a boat fishing license for a long time. If the boat is licensed then individuals onboard do not require a license. If the boat is not licensed then anyone fishing requires a license. They are two different things. I attempted about 5 years ago to license a charter boat. At that time the fee was very high because it was a US documented vessel even though home ported in the BVI and taxed there. The fee for a BVI vessel was much more reasonable.
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What is the latest on getting a BVI license?
Is there an email address for this?

Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: Twanger] #86860
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I just called Conservations and Fisheries. They explained that the vessel must be licensed for fishing and the people fishing from it must also be licensed to fish. This would be two separate licenses. I was told this is not new legislation but newly enforced legislation. The effective date for enforcement is April 1.

Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: Mardi_Gras] #86861
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Mardi Gras - do you know what this vessel license costs?

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That if true effectively ends all fishing for BVI charter boats. Can you tell us who you spoke with or their number.
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Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: GeorgeC1] #86863
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George ... This is why, as previously mentioned, TMM is registering their entire fleet. I suspect other Charter Companies will have to follow suit or not be able to offer fishing as an activity aboard their vessels. Thanks - Mark

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At 1500 per boat per year I suspect most companies will not license the boats.
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Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: GeorgeC1] #86865
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I'm getting second hand from a reliable source that the cost for a USVI charter boat license is $250/year to fish in the BVI. That probably knocks us out if we have to foot that whole bill, as well as $45 a person.

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250 is what I thought I would pay however when I showed up to purchase the boat license they wanted 1500 since my boat was a US documented vessel. We will see how they handle it going forward.
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When their fishing revenue goes way down I bet they re-think this 'strategy.'

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I have a bit more info. The new fishing tax on boats is not a old rule. It is a new tax and will be in effect on 1 Apr. So far the entire process to even get the permits is murky and being worked on. More info should follow soon. Looks like the tax will be 200 dollars per boat for BVI based charter boats regardless of where the boat is flagged.
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I called the phone number posted earlier , 284-468-2700. They answered on a speakerphone, I spoke with a man and a woman. Sorry, I didn't get their names but they appeard to know their business. The fee we paid is described as:

Pleasure fishing license for locally based vessels:

Length of vessel:

25 to 45 ft: $10 application fee and $105 annual license fee

> 45 ft $10 application fee and $155 annual license fee

As stated previously these fees are being paid by the owners of the vessels in TMM's fleet because most of the owners agreed it would benefit the charter clients who would like to fish. An individual will still need to purchase the recreational fishing license for $45 good for 30 days.

Tony

Re: Charter Vessels "Registered" to Fish? [Re: Mardi_Gras] #86870
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If I have my recreational fishing license, on a charter boat without the pleasure fishing licence, who will pay the fines ? Me ? The charter co. ? The boat owner ? It's ridiculous !

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I received this email this morning from the Moorings. After reading here about the BVI fishing boat registration I wanted to ask the question for my trip in May. Here is the answer I got from them:

Thank you for your inquiry. The BVI has just recently passed a law that requires all charter vessels to be registered as “fishing vessels” in order for a fishing license to be obtained. This law goes in to effect beginning on April 1st. As of right now, since the BVI has just passed this without warning, we do not have the ability to provide a registration for fishing for our charters. We are working diligently with the tourism board and our base to be able to make this happen, but unfortunately, at this time we have no solution. I will add your contact information to a list of people wishing to obtain a fishing license, and as soon as we receive a solution, you will be among the first to be notified. It only takes about 14 days to obtain a license from the government, so it is our hope that we will have this situation rectified before that time window closes.

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Someone please chime in here: A license is only required if fishing aboard a vessel, correct? If I fish from shore, or wade, no license is required?


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As far as I know that is correct.


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Got to wonder if this is a simple grab at more revenue for the state? Or some other scheme to drive a guided fishing business?

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They are $50 million over budget on the hospital, $40 million over on the cruise pier, want to spend $250 million on the airport and running out of cash for roads and sewerage. What do you think?


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They are $50 million over budget on the hospital, $40 million over on the cruise pier, want to spend $250 million on the airport and running out of cash for roads and sewerage. What do you think?


Any idea on what the total taxes and fees are per charter boat per year or per person per charter boat per day? We are experiencing higher travel taxes and fees all over the US. Most lodging taxes are 3% to 13% and growing, many airport rental cars are taxed close to 30%, all of the traveler taxes and fees in US cities are creeping up to $20 per day per person or more. According to Forbes when you factor in the airlines a US trip cost can be 30% in government taxes and fees. What would the BVI numbers add up too?

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Macon, Georgia
Very rough estimate would be around $16/day/person. That is based on 7% tax, an average charter price of $4,500/week, 30 weeks and the latest caricom boat count (2013) would be a bit over $10.5 million a year. That is on top of the $2/day/person cruising tax (about $2.8 Mil)and the $20 departure tax (about $3 mil for charter guest only) .


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