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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: gordaguy2]
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03/25/2016 01:21 PM
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Taxing tourists is very common. The hotel taxes in most major US cities is more than 10%. I am not sure I have a issue - if the money is well spent.
One challenge I see is for boats that are crossing into the USVI to spend a few days/nights. How would that work for taxes?
Anyone know what BVI taxes are paid on charters now? (besides the park permit fees)
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: Twanger]
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03/25/2016 01:58 PM
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That reads more like he wants the tax on charter fees not just sleep aboards.
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: GlennA]
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03/25/2016 03:53 PM
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I hear that Belize wants to collect 10% of the charter fee as a hotel tax. Let's watch the fleets leave.
Warren S/V Scuba Doo Lagoon 50 (winner of best crewed yacht under 55 feet at the St. Thomas crewed yacht boat show) and Lagoon 450, (both part of the Charter Caribe fleet (all inclusive charters) -St Thomas USVI https://chartercaribe.com/charters/ ).
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: sail445]
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03/27/2016 10:25 AM
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Aruba has a 24% hotel tax... I am surprised that it too them this long to start in Charter vessels..
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: letsgosailing]
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03/27/2016 10:37 AM
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Sales (BBO) Tax Aruba has a sales tax on the supply of goods and services in the amount of 1.5% of the sale. The tax is charged on (among other things) hotel bookings, activities and dining.
Hotel Room Tax The Aruban Government levies a 6% room tax on all hotel and timeshare rooms. Hotels and timeshares levy an 11% hotel service charge on rooms. Some properties also levy an energy service charge. All will be detailed on your checkout bill.
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: mattt]
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03/27/2016 12:15 PM
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Already providing tremdous support for their local economy. Add this tax and increasing mooring ball fees to the mix. As jay says, this will favourably impact the usvi and svi charter industries.
Warren S/V Scuba Doo Lagoon 50 (winner of best crewed yacht under 55 feet at the St. Thomas crewed yacht boat show) and Lagoon 450, (both part of the Charter Caribe fleet (all inclusive charters) -St Thomas USVI https://chartercaribe.com/charters/ ).
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: Breeze]
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03/27/2016 03:49 PM
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Breeze said: Could be quite interesting if every charter boat is determined to be a floating hotel and occupants are taxed at 10% of their charter fee for sleeping every night Europe and particularly France have been in this battle since +/- 2013. The EU ruled all yacht charters are responsible to pay VAT on the total price of the contract or +/- 20 percent. Italy is a clear 21%. The whole thing is hotly debated and you need a good lawyer to understand what is in, what is exempt, what is claimable. Moving to Florida if you rent anything without a crew. You must pay sales tax on the total rental.
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: TomSW]
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03/27/2016 04:11 PM
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It's to bad that this is all speculation. If we had concrete proposals, maybe we would start voting with our check books.
I hope that the charter industry is not sitting idle while this gets screwed up.
Warren S/V Scuba Doo Lagoon 50 (winner of best crewed yacht under 55 feet at the St. Thomas crewed yacht boat show) and Lagoon 450, (both part of the Charter Caribe fleet (all inclusive charters) -St Thomas USVI https://chartercaribe.com/charters/ ).
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: warren460]
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03/27/2016 04:43 PM
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warren460 said: It's to bad that this is all speculation. If we had concrete proposals, maybe we would start voting with our check books.
I hope that the charter industry is not sitting idle while this gets screwed up. Back in the day Charlie Cary and the other early pioneers had a roundtable where each charter operator had one seat. At times this group was at least an influential political lobby. Charlie Cary and his wife Jenny were conferred upon the the status of "Honorary Belongers". The sum total of the many whose livelihood depends on the boats going in and out of the docks on Tortola is very large. Taxi's, Provisions, Mechanics.... The other reality is the BVI runs on +/-$300M in taxes and fees. In January the BVI had more than $15M in invoices they did not have the cash to pay. With $20 Million in bills each month the BVI Gov usually has less than $7M in cash on hand.
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: snowdog]
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03/28/2016 08:26 AM
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snowdog said:I am not sure I have a issue - if the money is well spent. I would have absolutely NO issue, if the money was well spent. But therein lies the problem. Whether we are talking about the BVI, or any other government bureaucracy, the money is almost NEVER "well spent!"
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
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03/28/2016 08:36 AM
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Keep in mind charter boats are taxed now. The boat owner pays a yearly tax to charter. Boat import tax There is a cruising tax. Any replacement parts are taxed. Fishing tax New boat fishing tax National Park tax Charter guests pay a 20 to 40 dollar exit tax
The BVI can add additional taxes if they choose. Charter companies, boat owners, and charter customers can choose to pay them or take their business elsewhere. I suspect the BVI is underestimating the effects of Cuba opening up. I think when Cuba is fully up and running it's going to have a big impact on the BVI. Everyone I know with a charter boat is looking at moving it to Cuba. It's going to be a great place that's very easy to get to and from. I am already hearing about plans for fast ferries from South Florida. Airfares should be only slightly more then flying to Miami from anywhere in the country. If the Cuban government places it's cards right they will be the place to go. G
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: Twanger]
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03/28/2016 01:19 PM
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Twanger said: You're right George. In the last 6 years we've done half our trips in the SVI.
No boat import tax. No cruising tax. No national park tax. Free fishing. Free anchoring. Free moorings. No exit fees.
So I figure we save $600-$800 going to the SVI vs. the BVI.
That buys a lot of lobster! All true plus very little infrastructure, very hard to impossible to find potable water, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico while part of the US has very deep budget and economic troubles. Enjoy it while you can. At some point someone will have to pay the tab that is running in and on Puerto Rico. In Florida all that would be taxed at 6% or more.
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: StormJib]
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03/28/2016 01:48 PM
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Sales tax in PR is now 11.5%. We still got some deals in Fajardo in October even with that tax. We got water at Puerto Del Rey. But, with two of us 95 gallons lasts two weeks.
Cheers, RickG
S/V Echoes, 2003 Benetau 423 St. John, USVI
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: RickG]
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03/28/2016 01:55 PM
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RickG said: Sales tax in PR is now 11.5%. We still got some deals in Fajardo in October even with that tax. We got water at Puerto Del Rey. But, with two of us 95 gallons lasts two weeks.
Cheers, RickG Ouch!! This is a little cut and past for the PR based Sail Caribe... A 50% deposit is required upon reservation & the balance is billed forty-five (45) days prior to charter - Sales tax, Diesel fuel and Daily Damage waiver is charged extra - Cancellation Policy applies Still got a ways to go to catch up the 20% plus rates in Italy and France.
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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03/28/2016 03:03 PM
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GeorgeC1 said: Keep in mind charter boats are taxed now. The boat owner pays a yearly tax to charter. Boat import tax There is a cruising tax. Any replacement parts are taxed. Fishing tax New boat fishing tax National Park tax Charter guests pay a 20 to 40 dollar exit tax
The BVI can add additional taxes if they choose. Charter companies, boat owners, and charter customers can choose to pay them or take their business elsewhere. I suspect the BVI is underestimating the effects of Cuba opening up. I think when Cuba is fully up and running it's going to have a big impact on the BVI. Everyone I know with a charter boat is looking at moving it to Cuba. It's going to be a great place that's very easy to get to and from. I am already hearing about plans for fast ferries from South Florida. Airfares should be only slightly more then flying to Miami from anywhere in the country. If the Cuban government places it's cards right they will be the place to go. G I don't check TTOL often but I have to respond to this one. The BVI has long underestimated the effects of LOTS of things. Including water for the people, affordable food and affordable electricity in relation to the pay scale, efficient ferry service for tourist and locals alike, welcoming, efficient services from entry to having a meal, clean air for the people of West End instead of an incinerator billowing toxins, sewer issues, roads, traffic and parking problems, not enough police to police the place, certain crowded beaches that still run land based guests away, projects that run by $30 million over budget, constant new taxes and fees on tourist... on and on and on. Tourist have been exiting the BVI for years yet, they stand up and say the ECONOMY IS ROBUST.... ROBUST my [censored]! George and stormjib are exactly right, unfortunately.
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: Kimber]
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03/28/2016 09:46 PM
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Svi is not so exciting. Shortage of beach bars and restaurants
Warren S/V Scuba Doo Lagoon 50 (winner of best crewed yacht under 55 feet at the St. Thomas crewed yacht boat show) and Lagoon 450, (both part of the Charter Caribe fleet (all inclusive charters) -St Thomas USVI https://chartercaribe.com/charters/ ).
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: warren460]
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03/29/2016 06:30 AM
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The beach bar in my dinghy works great at the SVI. The food in our onboard restaurant is also better than 95% of the restaurants in the BVI. What we did find were free anchorages that emptied out, except for cruisers, before sunset. We also had great fishing, snorkeling and hiking. We're looking forward to heading back.
Cheers, RickG
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: warren460]
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03/30/2016 08:11 PM
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warren460 said: Svi is not so exciting. Shortage of beach bars and restaurants Yes!!! Stick with that and repeat frequently.
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Re: Sleep aboards to be taxed?
[Re: Tarroc]
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Tarroc said: Minister Walwyn has a dog in this fight--he owns the hotel at Moorings base and has had his occupancy rates severely effected by the Moorings sleep-aboard/evening start policy. Not exactly true. He manages those properties.
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