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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 01:58 PM
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There was no photography allowed on the C/O side of the beach and there still isnt. It was never illegal to have a camera on the beach,you just couldn't use it. Who knows what you are actually photographing. Only you. Hence the prohibition. Heard the senic shot argument used lots to no avail . No Mrs Hill I am not incorrect as I never quoted French law. As Steve at Club O explained to me the Club had the right to police the beach and confiscate cameras as well as delete photos. There is currently signage to this effect on the beach right now and Cedrick and company reportedly are enforcing it.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 02:39 PM
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You know I wish I knew what your name was, as I feel silly addressing a post to Hdrdr. But there unfortunately IS no Club O at the moment, only the Perch Lite. And, as far as I know, no security at this point. And again, I will state that French law says that no one can take your picture without your consent. No one will confiscate any camera or delete photos unless the person is taking pictures of people that don't wish their pictures taken. I frankly don't know what authority they ever had to confiscate cameras, probably only that the gendarmes said they wouldn't do anything about it if they did. But regardless, it's a moot point UNLESS someone is taking pictures of people who don't want their picture taken.
We've been going to Club O beach since 1989. I'm sure that someone who didn't have anything better to do has taken my picture on many occasions and I really couldn't care less. But more importantly, I don't GET this 'me versus them' mentality that some folks--not necessarily you--have about the Club Orient beach. The beach and Club O were always clothing optional. Which means that anyone can walk there on the beach or sit down on the sand or rent a chair or bring their own chair. And that's fine with me. It's a beach, a beautiful beach, where people should relax. If going to that beach or talking about it makes someone so uptight, they aren't getting what the place is supposed to be.
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Re: Club Orient
[Re: Hdrdr911]
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02/12/2019 02:51 PM
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There are still many here who remember this beach from ‘back in the day’ before there were any laws or rules or preconceived ideas of what was and wasn’t acceptable. I have this very sincere fear that if people keep pushing their own’ particular agendas, one of these days the French powers that be will ban ALL nudity and just be done with what used to be acceptable. Remember people, it was a deserted beach of particular beauty and remote enough that people didn’t care what the odd and occasional visitor did there. That certainly isn’t the case anymore.......
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 03:26 PM
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. Allison,
If I was you, it’s not my shoulders I’d be most worried about! The twin peaks can and will burn badly and while not from personal experience, I have it on good authority, this can be extremely painful.
If you do happen to end up with a bad sunburn anywhere, Biofine (perhaps Biofine?) can be purchased otc at Maho Pharmacy and probably at most others, too, and it works wonders in relieving the pain from a severe sunburn.
Good luck and enjoy your trip. I figured my girls would also get roasted. It’s just the way I’m built. Strangely, my mid-section and legs barely notice the sun at all.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 04:50 PM
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You know I wish I knew what your name was, as I feel silly addressing a post to Hdrdr. But there unfortunately IS no Club O at the moment, only the Perch Lite. And, as far as I know, no security at this point. And again, I will state that French law says that no one can take your picture without your consent. No one will confiscate any camera or delete photos unless the person is taking pictures of people that don't wish their pictures taken. I frankly don't know what authority they ever had to confiscate cameras, probably only that the gendarmes said they wouldn't do anything about it if they did. But regardless, it's a moot point UNLESS someone is taking pictures of people who don't want their picture taken.
We've been going to Club O beach since 1989. I'm sure that someone who didn't have anything better to do has taken my picture on many occasions and I really couldn't care less. But more importantly, I don't GET this 'me versus them' mentality that some folks--not necessarily you--have about the Club Orient beach. The beach and Club O were always clothing optional. Which means that anyone can walk there on the beach or sit down on the sand or rent a chair or bring their own chair. And that's fine with me. It's a beach, a beautiful beach, where people should relax. If going to that beach or talking abo ut it makes someone so uptight, they aren't getting what the place is supposed to be. Well all I can say to that is if you spent that much time there then you know what I have said is the absolute truth. On our first visit to Club O we were given a tour and an orientation of sorts. The overiding theme was the Clubs comittment to the protection of your privacy. The Clubs security did, on many occasions sieze cameras and delete photos. Yes it was mostly cruisers . On a personal level I could care less but Im not dependant on that kind of privacy back in the world. Many people are. My wife is a whole different story. Ill know firsthand what the deal is very shortly. It is a beautiful beach and I hardly spend any time on this nonsense when Im there, however there have been times when I needed to step between a jerk and my wife.Not that it should matter but she is an extremely attractive lady and I am , as I should be, very protective of her. We have the right to be left alone and not harrassed by these idiots who think we are there for thier amusement. That section of the beach was established for just that reason and the photography prohibition is there for that reason as well. Disagree all you want. Thats my take on it.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 05:42 PM
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The overiding theme was the Clubs comittment to the protection of your privacy. Privacy on a public beach? How can the "Club" override French law?
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 05:57 PM
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hdrdr--Again, you're not getting my point. I know that they regularly seized cameras, and/or deleted pictures, but it was only when someone had their picture taken without their permission, as for example, someone just walking down the beach snapping shots. And I still not am certain they could do it LEGALLY, but they did it. Again, it is not allowed under French law to take someone's picture without their permission. What is the remedy under French law if they do? I THINK the answer is some type of a lawsuit, and not self help like that. And I also wouldn't be surprised if the gendarmes told Stephen they wouldn't do anything if someone complained that their camera was taken or destroyed... ...which is not the same as saying it was legal.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 06:27 PM
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I get your point I just dont agree with it. Ive only stated things I have personally witnessed and experianced. I dont suppose anything that may or may nor have been said to Steve. I do know what he said to me. Ive no reason to doubt him. It was never any different in my ten years as a Club O patron. Security had the authority and used it to protect thier guests. I will suppose this, that in all the years Club O patrolled the beach and detained people and searched photographic equipment, deleting material found to be in violation of policy. Im quite sure if they were operating outside of thier authority the Collective would have stopped it. Word on the other SXM sites is that Cedrick has assumed that responsibility. Self help is not always inappropriate but Im not as well versed in French Law as in the statutes here, however I wont hesitate to protect my wife or anyone else I care about.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 06:51 PM
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Speaking of signs, was there ever any plan to replace the big Club O sign? I believe it disappeared during the hurricane before Irma. It was pretty explicit regarding photography on that end of the beach.
The side was a Club O sign and pertains to that property, not the public beach.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 07:21 PM
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This is really a silly argument.
The facts:
In France it is not legal to take a picture of an unwilling subject, regardless of where they are. Period.
How this effects the beach in front of the Club O property:
The management had signs up declaring the property to be a camera-free zone. The implication was that this covered the beach too, but of course that would probably have not been enforceable had it ever been brought to the authorities or Court's attention. To the best of my knowledge neither ever occurred over a dispute over a camera. (Remember, no one can hold a candle to the US when it comes to rampant litigiousness...)
It was in the Club's self interest to make patrons and visitors comfortable, and this occasionally included shielding them from jerks with cameras. Security would take cameras and/or film away if they witnessed blatant use or got a complaint. Yes, they'd do this on the beach too. Again, see the caveat on my last point. AT THE SAME TIME, if a regular patron or visitor known to Security took a quick picture of themselves and/or willing subjects they generally could do so with little issue.
Club O is unfortunately not currently in operation. The beach concession is being run by a former Employee who probably agrees with the previous management's feelings in regards to making patrons feel comfortable. There is no current security however, so the previously mentioned jerks may have better luck taking pictures than they previously did. Again, still illegal. If a fellow patron decides to toss a camera in the sea that is also probably illegal, but it's unlikely to be frowned upon by anyone on that section of the beach.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 07:48 PM
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That pretty much sums it up. I do know that the gendarmes got involved once that I witnessed. They backed Club O. Done with this, I wouldnt really call it an argument, just opposing viewpoints.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 07:49 PM
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Speaking of signs, was there ever any plan to replace the big Club O sign? I believe it disappeared during the hurricane before Irma. It was pretty explicit regarding photography on that end of the beach.
They do have two similar signs now on the actual Perch Lite and Cedrick told me last week, there is a big sign on order to replace the one you are talking about.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/12/2019 09:02 PM
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Jenni--Exactly! You are correct. And it is totally opposite of Hdrdr's position, even though he claims he agrees with you.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/13/2019 07:34 AM
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Jenni--Exactly! You are correct. And it is totally opposite of Hdrdr's position, even though he claims he agrees with you. Seriously Carol ?? Wow !
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Re: Club Orient
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02/13/2019 10:14 AM
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She said basically what I said, which is that they didn't have legal authority to do what they did, but they did it anyway AND that the only people who are in trouble with taking pictures are those who take pictures of others without their permission. Your position, I think, is that they had legal authority to seize cameras and throw them in the sea AND that no one is allowed to take pictures, regardless of whether the subject consents or not.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/13/2019 04:32 PM
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Well they would have stopped you when Club O was open😎 Wasn't inplying before Irma but now it isn't Club O anymore.
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Re: Club Orient
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02/13/2019 08:20 PM
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As fairly suggested to me and others in the past, there are topics that we need to agree to disagree on. No harm done. Let's just move on. Considering that I’m getting multiple suggestions on what to do with my situation, I’d suggest we’re just naturally debatey creatures.
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