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Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/16/2019 12:44 PM
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In October we will be returning to SCM for the first time since Irma and looking forward to long, lazy days on the CO Orient beach. My wife has been reading (on other sites) about some bad experiences folk are having with very creepy men. Is there a problem? Has anyone here had a bad experience?
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/16/2019 01:08 PM
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Swim there every week, no problems.
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/16/2019 01:10 PM
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I read about the incident to which you are referring. I have not been to the island since Irma.
I have had incidents on Cupecoy, Bay Rogue, Bay Prunes, Friars even on Orient with perverts staring and trying to advertise their 'goods'. Though I have never encountered anyone trying to touch or invade my personal space. I have always made it clear I am not intersed in playing. Normally you can say this to the Beach Bar staff and they will communicate to the pervert. It is disgusting but seems it's how some of them make a living. And it's because they've had many a success in the past that they continue to ply their trade.
You and I may be sick by it but many folks go to the islands to go crazy.
I would say be sure not to venture off by yourself. And be sure to patronize the beach bar in the beach you're at- it gives a little protection if you're their customer.
Be the person your dog thinks you are đź’«
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/16/2019 01:59 PM
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I've been a semi-regular on Orient Beach more time than I can count and I've never seen inappropriate behavior such as this. In fact, I can't help but question the motives of the Trip Advisor writer who posted this recently. I'm not saying this did not happen, but I'm also under the impression this may have been embellished this to some degree.
First, Orient Beach is not some isolated stretch of beach somewhere (like Happy Bay, for example). There are people everywhere with and without swimsuits on. There are more than enough men around so that if some jerk was acting in an inappropriate manner it would be taken care of promptly, with or without assistance from the gendarmes.
Second, Cedrick and his staff are always around as well getting people beach chairs, drinks, etc. He's not the police but he does keep an eye on things. And, if something ever did escalate to the point of a confrontation gendarmes are typically close by and can be summoned if needed.
It goes without saying that when you have a beach populated by naked individuals many men (and some women) are going to stare. They wouldn't be human if they didn't. But, I have never seen anything ever go beyond that point. Some folks are new to nude beach experience and at first this can be frightening and unsettling for them. But, like most of us they eventually settle in, enjoy themselves, and stop worrying about who's looking and where. That would be my best advice. Hope it helps!
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/16/2019 02:20 PM
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Very helpful, Sammy M. We have enjoyed the beach on at least 8 trips pre-Irma, but my wife was concerned that things had deteriorated. Looking forward to October and to thanking Cedrick in person for all he has done to maintain the Club O "atmosphere."
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/16/2019 02:39 PM
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Let me be clear.
I have had incidents on Cupecoy, Bay Rogue, Bay Prunes, Friars even on Orient with perverts staring and trying to advertise their 'goods'.
By advertise I mean stroking themselves.
Someone who has an erection and is staring is normal.
But touching themselves is not welcome. I thought it was a fairly regular thing. Especially at Cupecoy and Bay Rogue.
I never felt scared or in danger during the incidents but I did feel harassed and grossed out.
Be the person your dog thinks you are đź’«
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/16/2019 03:55 PM
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I understand what Sammy is saying about people reading one thing and forming an opinion based on it. Even keeping away after one experience. So I am sorry if I seemed to post a negative.
I am in no way saying it's dangerous. I'm just saying it was disturbing. And suggesting a little precaution by not venturing off by yourself.
I was in my early twenties on my first trip and yes I encountered a few sickos even on the first trip. It didn't keep me from loving SXM and returning whenever I am able to.
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/16/2019 04:42 PM
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If you feel uncomfortable about any one at any time, tell Cedrick. He's not security, but is watching out for his patrons.
Elaine ********************************* God Bless the broken road....
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
[Re: Tammy]
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09/16/2019 11:11 PM
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Let me be clear.
I have had incidents on Cupecoy, Bay Rogue, Bay Prunes, Friars even on Orient with perverts staring and trying to advertise their 'goods'.
By advertise I mean stroking themselves.
Someone who has an erection and is staring is normal.
But touching themselves is not welcome. I thought it was a fairly regular thing. Especially at Cupecoy and Bay Rogue.
I never felt scared or in danger during the incidents but I did feel harassed and grossed out.
Excuse me??? This is all normal to you? On a public beach? Good grief girl.
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/17/2019 06:30 AM
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I do not know if you misread my post. Or if you are trying to be mean. What I was trying to convey- ok maybe an erection sometimes can't be helped, staring is rude. But touching oneself is crossing a line. ( and maybe even a crime)
Whoever posted originally on Trip Advisor had a horrible experience and chose to share. Maybe we should all start with I am sorry whoever had to go through that. Then onwards to suggestions to help person take extra precaution next trip. Then to say it is an odd occurrence- the stalking.
When people speak up it's not nice to discredit or belittle their experience. To the Trip Advisor poster - I am sorry.
Be the person your dog thinks you are đź’«
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
[Re: Stevemech]
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09/17/2019 06:48 AM
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I believe he might work for a rental car agency. . Yes, he does. Comes and gets his jollies then picks up people from the airport.
Elaine ********************************* God Bless the broken road....
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/17/2019 11:04 AM
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My wife and I have been to Orient for years and years and in May we will be there for our 4th trip since Irma. We have never had a problem. My thoughts are if you stay on Orient Beach without venturing into the Club O ruins you will only experience friendly people and a beautiful beach. I have heard about activities past Papagayo but we went down just to see the damage and once was enough. It is so sad to see Club O in this devastation. We go to Orient every day during our vacations. Hope you all visit and have great vacations. carib cheers, doctorj
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/17/2019 01:04 PM
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I guess I'll take this opportunity to stop lurking and join the forum to post our experience from our trip in late July.
We spent a week on Club O Beach, which was perfect until the Saturday we were there. I was observing who I assumed to be a local gentleman wearing some sort of bandana or head covering with a thin gray yoga style towel that was sitting in an old orange lounger on the far end of the beach closer to Papagayo. Throughout the day, he would get up, weave his way through the chairs staring at the women on his way to the bar to get a single beer.
Eventually, this gentleman moved and occupied a chair directly behind a family with 2 minor girls. The beach boys seemed to be friendly to him and didn't charge him for the chair and he continued to be served at the bar. It also seemed he was friendly with some of the guests at the beach as he sat and talked to a few ladies a little further down and said hi to some of the volleyball players.
When he came back to his chair, he started to masturbate directly behind this family until the parents had enough. The dad confronted him and the mom had the massage lady call the Gendarmes. The 2 parents and 1-2 other beachgoers successfully engaged this perv in argument until the Gendarmes came and hauled the guy off. The family had to go to Marigot to file a report or else nothing would be done.
Cedrick was absent from the beach this entire week until he was called and showed up a little while after the Gendarmes. Cedrick said this guy was a problem and they had called the Gendarmes before on the perv only for him to escape into the ruins of the resort.
My biggest concern, that I wished I had expressed to Cedrick at the time, was that if he is a known perv, why were the beach boys letting him sit in a chair without paying and why was he being served at the bar.
It sounds like the perv population that was at Happy Bay, Cupecoy, etc. have now gravitated to Club O due the lack of security and abundance of escape routes and hiding places. After seeing this guy be friendly with the beach boys and bartenders, I think the only person that anybody can trust is Cedrick. If there's a problem, have the massage lady call the Gendarmes.
If what happened to the TripAdvisor poster happened to my wife and I, that would be the last time I ever got her to go to a nude beach. And people wonder why the average age of naturists keeps going up.
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
[Re: BillandElaine]
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09/17/2019 01:09 PM
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I believe he might work for a rental car agency. . Yes, he does. Comes and gets his jollies then picks up people from the airport. Who does he work for? So I can avoid renting from that company. The ownership of the rental agency might want to know that they have a perv working for them.
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/17/2019 06:02 PM
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I guess I'll take this opportunity to stop lurking and join the forum to post our experience from our trip in late July.
We spent a week on Club O Beach, which was perfect until the Saturday we were there. I was observing who I assumed to be a local gentleman wearing some sort of bandana or head covering with a thin gray yoga style towel that was sitting in an old orange lounger on the far end of the beach closer to Papagayo. Throughout the day, he would get up, weave his way through the chairs staring at the women on his way to the bar to get a single beer.
Eventually, this gentleman moved and occupied a chair directly behind a family with 2 minor girls. The beach boys seemed to be friendly to him and didn't charge him for the chair and he continued to be served at the bar. It also seemed he was friendly with some of the guests at the beach as he sat and talked to a few ladies a little further down and said hi to some of the volleyball players.
When he came back to his chair, he started to masturbate directly behind this family until the parents had enough. The dad confronted him and the mom had the massage lady call the Gendarmes. The 2 parents and 1-2 other beachgoers successfully engaged this perv in argument until the Gendarmes came and hauled the guy off. The family had to go to Marigot to file a report or else nothing would be done.
Cedrick was absent from the beach this entire week until he was called and showed up a little while after the Gendarmes. Cedrick said this guy was a problem and they had called the Gendarmes before on the perv only for him to escape into the ruins of the resort.
My biggest concern, that I wished I had expressed to Cedrick at the time, was that if he is a known perv, why were the beach boys letting him sit in a chair without paying and why was he being served at the bar.
It sounds like the perv population that was at Happy Bay, Cupecoy, etc. have now gravitated to Club O due the lack of security and abundance of escape routes and hiding places. After seeing this guy be friendly with the beach boys and bartenders, I think the only person that anybody can trust is Cedrick. If there's a problem, have the massage lady call the Gendarmes.
If what happened to the TripAdvisor poster happened to my wife and I, that would be the last time I ever got her to go to a nude beach. And people wonder why the average age of naturists keeps going up. We were there that day, my wife was playing volleyball, the Gendarmes really brought a strong force with them, even had a boat patrolling the harbor, probably because this guy had got away before.
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
[Re: Anonymous]
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09/20/2019 12:52 PM
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I know exactly who you are talking about! We “met” him on our first trip to the island and I got so pissed off watching him circling around us that I almost went after him. Good thing that Danny showed up and I asked him what a hell is wrong with this guy? Danny explained me that he is not a threat at all and just makes a living offering his services to the ladies. Apparently, the island is famous for the sexual tourism where some ladies paying for a love. Danny told me to just say no thank you to him and he will leave you along. We were watching him for the past 14 years, every year and pretty much every day he is at Cupecoy. First he walks the beach, then he finds a spot and takes off his trunks and then he applies what looks like a baby oil to his body. Then he offers his goods and services by strolling up and down the beach. Never seen him harassing anybody who didn’t want to be harassed. We have seen him been very friendly with a few ladies. To each their own...
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
[Re: Anonymous]
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09/21/2019 01:19 PM
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I agree but the island has its own rules I guess... Not that I approve it. But at the same time I have seen a couple at Cupecoy at around 9:30am having sex in open without any hesitation while we are sitting not even 30 yards away! The same couple I have seen there for the past 10 years. Well known visitors. Do I approve it? No. Would I do it if nobody’s looking? Heheheh...
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/22/2019 06:47 PM
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Unfortunately we have seen this behavior, but it seems to have increased leading up to, and more so post Irma.
Prior to Irma we had stayed on Orient the first half of July for 5 years in a row, and witnessed this behavior several times from folks both staying at club o and those walking the beach. In fact, there was a group of orient beach guests that would offer free drinks to the textile beach walkers if they shed their swimsuits, and we saw the same woman 3 years in a row who would walk down the beach and clearly would have one two many rum punches as she both shed her swimsuit and seemed to encourage what I could only say is 'inappropriate touching'. My husband still laughs as he's sure it's the same gal every year as she is younger and as he says, she clearly doesn't adhere to the more modern grooming habits lol. We are pretty laid back and while we don't judge, this beach is intended to be a family beach so seeing that is a bit of a change.
Since we have visited post irma, venturing south towards Papagayo is something we no longer do, as that's where the local creepers seem to hang out consistently and this never used to be the case. I used to love walking past the watersports shop as you could get stunning views of st barths, but unfortunately I won't do that without my swimsuit or husband anymore.
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
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09/23/2019 01:41 AM
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Unfortunately we have seen this behavior, but it seems to have increased leading up to, and more so post Irma.
Prior to Irma we had stayed on Orient the first half of July for 5 years in a row, and witnessed this behavior several times from folks both staying at club o and those walking the beach. In fact, there was a group of orient beach guests that would offer free drinks to the textile beach walkers if they shed their swimsuits, and we saw the same woman 3 years in a row who would walk down the beach and clearly would have one two many rum punches as she both shed her swimsuit and seemed to encourage what I could only say is 'inappropriate touching'. My husband still laughs as he's sure it's the same gal every year as she is younger and as he says, she clearly doesn't adhere to the more modern grooming habits lol. We are pretty laid back and while we don't judge, this beach is intended to be a family beach so seeing that is a bit of a change.
Since we have visited post irma, venturing south towards Papagayo is something we no longer do, as that's where the local creepers seem to hang out consistently and this never used to be the case. I used to love walking past the watersports shop as you could get stunning views of st barths, but unfortunately I won't do that without my swimsuit or husband anymore. Her actions are totally disgusting.
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Re: Creeps on Orient Beach
[Re: SammyM]
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09/23/2019 09:05 AM
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Sammy--I'm inclined to think you're right. People have been warned about this situation and time to move on.
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