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BVI border is opening up #232312
08/15/2020 07:00 AM
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Government has announced that the BVI borders are opening up after lots of criticism. There are several stages and a $2500 quarantine fee but I am not sure how all of this fits together, We will have to wait while they sort this out. There is a Sept 1 opening for some folks and a Oct 1 opening for other folks. AS I said they will have to expalin all of this.

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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232314
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No information as to when the ferry service to/from STT will/will not open. Not much talk about tourists and how they can enter. No discussion as to whether a negative covid document prior to flying will allow entry. The statement from government leaves lots to be desired as far as real information..

https://www.facebook.com/BVIGovernm...5487017945/?type=3&theater&ifg=1

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It's a start, I guess. I can't imagine they WON'T require a Covid test, as almost all places are requiring it. I hope when they do make specific announcements, that they don't change them every two days, like it seems that SXM is doing. Every time you turn around, they have changed something else.


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232319
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Should I keep hoping for the November charter?!?


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232321
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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: Carol_Hill] #232323
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They are requiring a covid test but they still want you to go into quarantine at a cost of $2500-3500 per person. Just will not work for tourists. I cannot imagine what they will come up with for tourists. But they need money so the pressure is on. Can't hide forever. They have to face the reality of covid.


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232325
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Covid is not going away in the next few years. At some point they will have to deal with it. More than likely covid will become another seasonal illness worldwide like the flu. Treatments will get better and the mortality rate will be low. The question is do you deal with it now and open the economy or do you crush the economy and deal with covid later.

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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232328
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No mention of tourists in this statement, but they did address the concerns raised in social media. The cost for quarantine is much lower for non-citizens; e.g. spouses of citizens. I think it's a good start. Property owners will be allowed back in, but there is no mention of boat owners. The Ministry of Health can also give exemptions.

It seems like they will see how it goes and then, perhaps, adjust the rules starting Oct. 1. At a minimum, allowing more residents to return should provide a boost to the local economy while waiting for tourism to resume.

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232330
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For tourists, if the cost to enter is nominal (less than $100) and no quarantine, then the tourist will come. If not forget the tourists. They are not coming. For me I will not go back to my villa until the cost is minimal and I see a possibility of a return of tourism.


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232334
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I hope you are right, Peter! Really looking forward to some lamb shank in November ;-)


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232335
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I agree that most tourists/charterers will not be able to take the time or pay for a long quarantine on top of their vacation costs - I truly hope we get there in November...George makes a very valid point....


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232336
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fingers crossed for Tourism opening 11/1...... I would love to make my charter finally....


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232337
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If someone can really make head or tail of all this please let us know. We have "permission to reside". We have landholder licenses and have owned the property since 1989. When can we got back and stay in our own house???? And any news about STT ferrries running again would be most welcome. Fingers crossed that we are making some progress...and any..ANY..real news is gratefully received. In true BVI fashion TTOL is probably the best source of info!

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232340
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Ahoy Capt. Malcolm,

I hope this helps -
https://www.bviplatinum.com/news.php?articleId=31904
https://bvi.gov.vg/media-centre/statement-premier-fahie-covid-19-update-phase-ii
https://bvi.gov.vg/sites/default/files/faqs.pdf

I hope this is a positive development and a reflection of the economic realities.

Fair Winds, Brent from The Captains Compass

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232341
08/15/2020 12:38 PM
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This is what I know. Little Dix Bay on Virgin Gorda is 80% booked for the Christmas period. (So they know something)
I have heard from a gov't rep that Nov 1 for tourists. Again this can change depending on the direction of the winds
I am taking reservations for November


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Not encouraging!!

St Kitts and Nevis will be back in business for tourism in October.


It plans to open borders to international visitors with the restart of air and sea traffic, Prime Minister Timothy Harris announced, although the exact date hasn't been announced yet.


The government said all visitors must take a Covid-19 PCR test 72 hours before arrival


A second PCR test is then required after completing a 14-day quarantine.





In addition travelers must have insurance that covers Covid-19.


The wearing of masks is required in public with fines dished out for anyone not complying.


The government has implemented a 'Travel Approved' training program for tourism businesses covering a range of health and safety protocols.


Hotels must apply for a certificate of compliance before being approved.


A number of major resorts including the Park Hyatt Fisherman's Village and the Royal St. Kitts Hotel have reopened while the St. Kitts Marriott Resort and Park Hyatt St. Kitts are resuming operations in October.


The twin island Federation has so far reported 17 positive cases of Covid-19, with no deaths.


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232350
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If the government places significant additional fees on tourist, it will crush the economy and tourism. THEN when they eventually reduce the "new tourism tax", the rumor of high fee will persist for years. AND frequent (repeat) tourists will have found a "New Paradise".

Reasonable temporary fees (ie to cover cost of testing, but not to generate revenue) is Key.

I am approaching possibility of moving my charter boat from BVI permanently due to government inaction/ potential harmful fees.


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232353
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Originally Posted by tpcook
This is what I know. Little Dix Bay on Virgin Gorda is 80% booked for the Christmas period. (So they know something)
I have heard from a gov't rep that Nov 1 for tourists. Again this can change depending on the direction of the winds
I am taking reservations for November


I wonder if they will differentiate between land based tourists and charterers with the latter being more mobile and being more in a position to carry Covid between the islands...

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: bailau] #232367
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Originally Posted by bailau


I wonder if they will differentiate between land based tourists and charterers with the latter being more mobile and being more in a position to carry Covid between the islands...


Land based, potentially have more contact with others (If not staying confined to their villa/house). I spent 3 weeks on cat in USVI and had minimal contact with grocery store (about 1 x per week) ... otherwise elected to stay mostly on the boat.

Pluses and minuses for boaters/ non-boaters. Both are important to the economy.

I believe that key to containing any outbreak is mask/ social distancing, and hand washing/sanitizer... but also suggest designating individuals with companies (Bars, boat companies, restaurants) who will be the point of contact with tourist. Test these "point of contacts" frequently to "entry point" into territory. These would likely know the locals they subsequently know the locals they had significant contact with for contact tracing. (No reason testing tourists on departure as they will be gone and they may know places they stopped, but very unlikely to know WHO they had contact with).

And medically, at least in my local highly impacted area, there seems to be less "very sick"(ie ICU) patients, and even Less Ventilator patients... My community has about 80,000 people and hospital is similar to Peebles... We are having about 30 Covid patients in hospital with 2-4 on the ventilator. Not sure if this is virus causing less sickness or we are doing a better job of treating Covid as time goes on, so I really do think BVI will be able to manage their infections WITH the strict use of Masks and social distancing when possible.... Which likely will entail less alcohol on land(Somehow excess alcohol results in less compliance with SD and masks).


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232369
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And meanwhile....here on the Gulf Coast of Florida...the state that is COVID capital these days...I have been waitressing in the height of COVID for 3 months now...wearing a mask...57 years old.....not. one. symptom.

Ditto for my co-workers and we are THE number one restaurant in the area and have been PACKED.

$400 in tips last night.

I really don’t know what to believe anymore — if I was going to get it??? I SURE would have by now!


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Oh...and tourists are still flocking here......since they can’t get...you know...THERE.

Although I managed to get THERE.
And charter a boat.
And mask up when required.
And return home.

And still.......COVID free.

It can happen :-)


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: Winterstale] #232384
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Originally Posted by Winterstale
Oh...and tourists are still flocking here......since they can’t get...you know...THERE.

Although I managed to get THERE.
And charter a boat.
And mask up when required.
And return home.

And still.......COVID free.

It can happen :-)


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In this age of Covid-19, a quote from the philosopher Seneca is timely, almost 2,000 years on, "There are more things, Lucilius, that frighten us than injure us, and we suffer more in imagination than in reality."

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232386
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I am trying to put all this togther..from what I am told the $3,500 fee for Sept and the $2,500 fee for October is per household with meals included for folks like us who are "with permission to reside"..covers 14 days of quarantine..

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: Manpot] #232387
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Not sure, Malcolm. I read it to be $3,500 per household for security, if you get permission to quarantine at your own house. We need to wait for all the rules to be published.

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: RatmansWife] #232390
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Wow, assuming that it needs two people to cover 24 hours a day, that is still $1750 per month per security guard, to essentially do absolutely nothing but sit there and ensure that someone doesn't leave their house. That's a pretty darn good gig!!


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And meals included - what a deal for the family! yikes

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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232415
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Does anyone have a clue of what this $2,500.00 means? Is it a few if you test positive once entering the territory or does everyone have to quarantine for 14 days.

We have 2 charters starting the October 22 with two different companies, so I’m starting to sweat a tad bit!

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: Bo Scott] #232416
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These fees are for returning work permit holders who will begin to return September 1st. This is not for tourists. There has not been any word on a date for the borders opening to tourists?

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232418
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It is also for land holder license owners and those with "permission to reside". I hope to be getting more info but it looks like you pay the Gov and then check into an approved property for the 14 days. I am not clear if you have to pay for the hotel as well..but, I think, the payment to the Gov covers that and meals..if true not such a bad deal! Hopefully we can really clear this up..

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Thank you for helping clear that up.

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: Winterstale] #232427
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Originally Posted by Winterstale
And meanwhile....here on the Gulf Coast of Florida...the state that is COVID capital these days...I have been waitressing in the height of COVID for 3 months now...wearing a mask...57 years old.....not. one. symptom.

Ditto for my co-workers and we are THE number one restaurant in the area and have been PACKED.

$400 in tips last night.

I really don’t know what to believe anymore — if I was going to get it??? I SURE would have by now!



I'd say masks, good airflow maybe? and being in a county with a lower number of cases has been in your favor. I know someone in Florida who's 22 and was not so lucky and likely got it while at a bar back in July. 50+ days and she's free of it now, but still battling the results of what its done to her.

We're hoping for a November trip as well - hope they get this figured out. Seems quarantining with a negative test makes no sense. If they could do a test on arrival with 24-48 for results, that would be an easy way to deal with it as well as a test before you leave your home.


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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: Manpot] #232442
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Originally Posted by Manpot
It is also for land holder license owners and those with "permission to reside". I hope to be getting more info but it looks like you pay the Gov and then check into an approved property for the 14 days. I am not clear if you have to pay for the hotel as well..but, I think, the payment to the Gov covers that and meals..if true not such a bad deal! Hopefully we can really clear this up..

Malcom - you can enter starting September 1. From September 1 - October 1, nothing has changed about quarantine. You would still pay $6000ish for security to quarantine at CRC (if they will approve it) or something similar at a govt. facility. Starting October 1, the quarantine fees change as the govt. is sharing the cost. You would pay $3500 for security for both you and Candice at CRC or $2500/person for housing, security, and food at a govt. hotel.

No talk so far of opening the sea ports so ferries are out. Plus STT is now on a lock down so I doubt ferries would be allowed to run anyway.

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232444
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Everything changed this morning. No fees until Oct 1 Then I have no idea what will happen . No discussion about tourists. No discussion about ferries. USVI is locked down for at least 1 month. Also at one point there was a 14 lockdown in Puerto Rico so don't what the situation is there. It is a mess.

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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: JasonHelmbrecht] #232445
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Originally Posted by JasonHelmbrecht
Originally Posted by Manpot
It is also for land holder license owners and those with "permission to reside". I hope to be getting more info but it looks like you pay the Gov and then check into an approved property for the 14 days. I am not clear if you have to pay for the hotel as well..but, I think, the payment to the Gov covers that and meals..if true not such a bad deal! Hopefully we can really clear this up..

Malcom - you can enter starting September 1. From September 1 - October 1, nothing has changed about quarantine. You would still pay $6000ish for security to quarantine at CRC (if they will approve it) or something similar at a govt. facility. Starting October 1, the quarantine fees change as the govt. is sharing the cost. You would pay $3500 for security for both you and Candice at CRC or $2500/person for housing, security, and food at a govt. hotel.

No talk so far of opening the sea ports so ferries are out. Plus STT is now on a lock down so I doubt ferries would be allowed to run anyway.

So, a new article this morning says September 1 - September 30, quarantine is free for anyone allowed to enter at a govt. facility and $3500 at home for security only. Starting October 1, the fees are $2500 for govt. facility and $3500 at home.

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Insanity. Tyrannical Government bureaucrats
Worse damage to nations than hurricanes

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Nothing changed, they always said the charges would begin on 1st October. The press conference was not very clear even the gazette says something different.

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232450
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Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232451
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Does this indicate that they're ramping up to let tourists back in over the next few months by letting workers in to prepare for the season? We have a charter booked for Thanksgiving week and still looking for a glimmer of hope that we'll make it.

Re: BVI border is opening up [Re: tpcook] #232452
08/17/2020 08:38 AM
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Quick Update. Trinidad, which had opened up is back into total lockdown. USVI is in total lockdown for 1 month. It is starting to look grim for tourism.


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