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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
[Re: tmsxmsails]
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03/03/2015 04:45 PM
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tmsxmsails said: This is actually a hard conversation to have with her because she doesn't like thinking about it and kind of shuts down on the whole idea. She's a trooper though and knows we need to think about it. = Better to put a lot of thought into it and know exactly what to do then have it happen and have no clue.
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
[Re: tmsxmsails]
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03/03/2015 05:44 PM
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If I went overboard and wasn't dead, my wife knows enough to fire the engine, luff the sails, maneuver around back to my position and hit me to makes sure I was dead then call insurance company.
On a serious note. Most horseshoes are clipped onto the boat and not easy to unhook. Just throw something that floats, a cooler lid, seat cushion. When dinghy sailing they teach going to beam reach, luffing and sailing back.
I can't count how many hat overboard I have done, I just fire the engines, rotate around then turn again to come upwind and recover off the stern. Pretty easy stuff, rarely do I even luff. Luffing can create its own issue with sheets flogging in the wind.
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
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03/03/2015 06:23 PM
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Plan A: I'm conscious, keep me in sight, release the sheets, start engine, disengage autopilot and circle downwind. I will swim to boat when close enough.
Plan B: I'm unconscious, keep me in sight, release the sheets start engine, disengage autopilot and circle downwind while calling mayday on handheld. When close bring dingy to me and try to keep head above water. Attempt to put arms thru underarms, clasp hands together and use knees to pull into dingy.
I figure on > 95% for plan A and < 50% for plan B unless conditions are rough. When we're in rough conditions I always hook in and wear my harness. If I was unconscious I figure I'll at least make it easy for them to find the body.
It is incredibly difficult to rescue an unconscious person.
Had a friend fall off his sailboat. It took the people on the boat about 45 minutes to get back. He said he tried all the survival skills he knew (relax and float, fill pants with air and tie knots in legs - that didn't work so well). Finally he found a loose crab pot float which he says probably saved his life.
Life involves risks, take some prudent ones (NOT with the BVI ferries)!
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
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03/03/2015 06:25 PM
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as a power boater, (yeah I know...), it was our first time with just the 2 of us and i'm in charge of picking up the mooring ball, so we're in sprat, I miss the ball and drop the boat hook in the bay, i start panicking not knowing we have another and not knowing they float, and mr cool jeans calmly turns the boat around past the boat hook, sits tight for a bit and low and behold, the hook comes to me standing on the swim platform, after that trip, we decided to take power squadron, for hubby it was a refresher and he was surprised how much he'd forgotten, and for me, a whole lot of great learning, including knowing what equipment is onboard, how to use basic equipment, how to use the radio, how to retrieve my husband if he's overboard or overboard and deceased (opinions vary on this one), i feel very comfortable driving our 42ft express cruiser in lake ontario for the last five years. if you haven't shared this stuff with the others on your boat, you're setting yourself up for a bad turn, better to know and not need it than have something happen and not know what to do - just saying....
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
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03/03/2015 06:30 PM
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If I went overboard and wasn't dead, my wife knows enough to fire the engine, luff the sails, maneuver around back to my position and hit me to makes sure I was dead then call insurance company. Thanks for that!
Life involves risks, take some prudent ones (NOT with the BVI ferries)!
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
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03/03/2015 09:09 PM
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sail2wind said: One important factor is your GPS position. There is a story in "It's Your Boat Too" about a wife whose husband had a heart attack and she calls VHF 16. Coast Guard asked her coordinates and she began to describe the scenery around her, i.e house with red roof.... true story. Another thought is the conditions that would precipitate a man overboard. If your are in big sea and wind, do not release your dinghy. You may never find it again. Generally, going overboard does not happen in calm seas. SailLOrion has the absolutely correct procedures. Just my thoughts but if you're in big seas and you release the dinghy near where the person fell overboard and you can't find the dinghy, you're not finding the person that fell overboard either so the dinghy is the least of you're problems.
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
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03/03/2015 09:47 PM
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I am rather taken back by the responses to this topic. In my US Sailing classes, taken on SF Bay some years ago, to pass the class you had to demonstrate the ability to make a MOB retrieval maneuver and by no means did it include starting an engine! Its a sail boat people and hey, the motor may not start, then what you gonna do? If you are going to call yourselves sailors then learn to sail. Oh yes and BTW, you had to demonstrate the ability to navigate without the use of GPS!!!
It's not what you've got, it's what you give, it's not the life you choose, it's the life you live.
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
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03/04/2015 01:39 AM
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Teammac,
The basic premiss was that only one person on the boat knows how to sail and they are the MOB. My wife has picked me up hundreds of time while skiing in a power boat so I'd rather take my chances with the engine. In any case I would prefer they use any means available.
Life involves risks, take some prudent ones (NOT with the BVI ferries)!
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
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03/04/2015 09:35 AM
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beerMe said: Teammac,
The basic premiss was that only one person on the boat knows how to sail and they are the MOB. My wife has picked me up hundreds of time while skiing in a power boat so I'd rather take my chances with the engine. In any case I would prefer they use any means available. Agreed. My wife would not be able to single-hand a 43 ft. sailboat (in presumably difficult weather) but I know she can drive the boat on engine power. If you go overboard *and* have an engine failure, now we're talking multiple concurrent "failures" and the combinations become much, much more complex. Not that you shouldn't consider them but it becomes almost overwhelming to a "non-sailor". Keep it simple to cover the most likely scenarios.
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
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03/04/2015 09:40 AM
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Probably the most important topic ever discussed on this board.
Last November/December I heard 2 Mayday calls/incidents in less than 2 weeks. Both incidents were COB's. One of the calls was very scary to listen to because it was clear the person on the radio was panicked and didn't know what to do. I heard that one of the incidents resulted in a fatality.
s/v Snow Dog - Leopard 46
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Re: For fun discussion: man overboard scenarios
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03/04/2015 09:56 AM
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We try to do a man overboard drill shortly after leaving the dock. We add this twist. The skipper and anyone else with "deep" skills cannot be involved. Throw a life jacket or fender attached to a life jacket over. Take a seat, take notes, in silence... see if they can get you or someone else back. Slamming the boat head to wind is the best way to stop the boat... Here is a recent video of a crew who released the sheets to stop.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK1tZljrwAcYou will all learn something if you actually execute the drill. Teaching everyone to helm the boat during the daily mooring will also be a strong learning experience for all.
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