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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: LocalSailor]
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08/06/2016 11:27 PM
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I think this certainly makes the case for hiring a boat that is owner operated and crewed. They are many of them here on the board.
It sounds like you hired the captain and chef from the same operation that you chartered the boat from. They have no skin in the game. They get paid to run a boat that doesn't belong to them and cook for a group that they have no relationship with.
Those who run their own crewed charter boats would be out of business if they treated their clients that way.
It is not uncommon for a boat to have minor problems, but I think you could reasonable assume it would be fixed or the hot water issue accomodated using another vessel or at your suggestion the engine heating. As for the chef, sounds like a pain in the [censored] that doesn't care about your wants or needs.
I'm sorry about your lousy trip. If you make a next one, look for a sponsor that owns the boat and business. There are several really good ones, the bad ones aren't in business anymore.
Rita It is better to be happy than it is to be right
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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08/07/2016 01:16 AM
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Something does not add up on the hot water. I assume this was a catamaran. Each engine and hull would have a associated hot water tank which is heavily insulated. The water can be heated by a electric element or running the engines. The electric elements are almost never used in the BVI because they draw a lot of Amps and can overload show power or a genset if the AC is running. Normal engine use to dock or moor a boat should however heat the tanks and provide adequate hot water for reasonable showers all evening. Each hulls system is normally independent of the other. Having said all of the above the water temp in the tanks is normally fine for showers even when the hot water tanks are empty. Certainly worst case it would be a very minor distraction. G
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: NCSailor]
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08/07/2016 07:41 AM
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Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. Is there more to it then what you posted though?
Because I'm not sure why the issues listed would ruin a trip or cause issues between you and your friends.
It seems the big issue was the chef? Did you ever consider just firing them? Worst case you pay them anyway, but you could have at least dealt with your meals how you wanted, just would have meant your doing some cooking.
Matt
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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08/07/2016 10:17 AM
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I don't mean to make light of the issue but Captain Ron? Too funny. If you have not seen this movie load it up and have a nice laugh/cry and then plan your next adventure. Without Captain Ron.
Life's short - sail more!
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: casailor53]
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08/07/2016 10:21 AM
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Kryssa, I personally went to the company office at the marina Saturday morning before we left out to ask for the water issue to be addressed. They sent someone out to our boat on the water Tuesday and said it was a bad element. No other boat was offered to us. This was the first of the collapse of our friendship as two of the guests were adamant about the water being fixed and others were not. It caused a big scene Saturday morning before we left out. Everyone has their luxuries. Had the air conditioning not been working , for instance,others would have created a bigger stir than those with the water issue. It's all in what your comfort level is. We gave the chef the benefit of the doubt the first day and a half before we began asking for the meat that was packed. He just kept assuring us he was a professional chef and we were not to worry about it. By Thursday morning, having packed 5 pounds of bacon for 2 people and only having bacon one morning, things got heated with the chef. We only had internet at Peter island twice the whole week, which was fine, it was a group decision to try to enjoy the remainder of the trip and address the issues once we returned. George yes it was a brand new catamaran. We paid 18,0000.00 for the week for the boat,Capt. And chef. I expect hot water if the boat is equipped. we didn't pay that much to take cold showers all week. I suppose we could have fired the chef but we would have had to taken over cooking the meals and not all the ladies onboard had cooking skills so that would have left two women cooking all the meals for 8,plus crew,and that was not fair to ask of them. It was their vacation too.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Lakegirl480]
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08/07/2016 10:59 AM
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I don't really understand this. You can't really get cold water in the system in August, the temperature below deck in confined spaces is nearly always above body temperature..hence you start with warm water. A little running of engines or genset in our trawler made for very hot water. These days we have a small power cat, there is no hot water tank aboard. The transom shower is never "cool" . In a zero to 10 scale on an impediment to enjoying a trip to the BVI having 100 degree plus water and having 130 degree water I could see steam rising from would rank a 0.1 . There is so much to do and see and enjoy, as long as there are comfortable showers to be taken I don't believe many would view this as a huge problem. Heads not working? No water.. Big problem..By the way unless there was a watermaker on board, the person worring about long hot showers with 8 on board is likely to be unpopular. You had probably 200 gallon capacity. Though many don't abide by it, boat showers should conserve water. Get wet, shut off water, lather, rinse. Wet hair shut off water, shampoo rinse. In that case there is little difference in hot water or warm water. I am in no way saying someone cannot insist on all the hot water they want and as hot as they want. It is just not a big deal for most.
I'm not sure I understand the food situation. Did you hire the chef separately or furnished by charter co.? Did you provision the boat or did the chef? Did you tell them before hand that you wanted each couples food prepared separately ? Please correct me if that is not the case. In the small galley it would be somewhat unreasonable to expect the chef to prepare separate meals for each couple. I often hear of a person or couple aboard requiring different diets..vegetarian, gluten free etc..but I've never heard of three couples bringing separate food for someone to prepare individually. Indeed when we had the charter boat and today at the condo down there we and guests will bring some special items from home..provision together and use the supplies in common. Since I have never heard of three couples wanting their food kept separate, I'm guessing the chef who has to plan the meals found it strange as well. I'm sorry you had such a bad time but honestly can't understand it. Perhaps it would have been good to have told the chef that he/she was going to prepare meals separately with items each couple brought. That could have been discussed and the chef declined the charter or done it at a much higher per diem. Just my thoughts after spending trips on the water.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Lakegirl480]
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08/07/2016 11:50 AM
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Lakegirl480 said: There was a water maker on board. We hired the chef from the company and provisioned our own boat to our liking. We specified the sepa[quote]Lakegirl480 said: There was a water maker on board. We hired the chef from the company and provisioned our own boat to our liking. We specified the separated meat but also requested to cook the packed meat to match whatever the meat of the day was. For instance, if the group was having chicken then it was requested to thaw the transported chicken to accompany it. We asked for no separate meal prep cooking style. Pork chops,ribs,bacon,chicken,summer sausage,regular sausage,butter and milk were packed and asked to be used in tandem with the group meals. No extra effort on the chefs part. See this is where I think thinks went badly not just with chef but perhaps your other couples. This makes it sound like the food was there to be used by the group, which is the only way I've ever seen things done on a group charter. Somebody brings steaks,lsomebody cured bacon whatever..but to be used for a group meal. That is no problem I'm sure. But in original post you said. " "Two of us had packed our meat from the United States and it was conveyed to the chef to keep our portions separate and explained how we wished our meals to be prepared." "The last two days of the trip the two guests who packed their meat wound up feeding the entire boat,crew included,their meat portions. The chef even threw two steaks overboard saying they were soured. This was a lie because we checked the frozen meats each day to make sure they were staying frozen. There was 30 pounds of meat frozen. It is unacceptable that the two persons who transported the meat did not have meat with each meal as they requested. Friday the chef cooked more meat than could be consumed. Needless to say this seemingly small inconveniences ruined the majority of our trip." You see the indication was those items brought were to be cooked separately for two couples. That is just unusual and putting out a meal for 8 on a boat is tough enough without trying to be sure these 4 people get this and the other 4 don't. Is it possible that this aggravation at having to share these provisions or not wanting to share was at the center of some of the hard feelings? If chartering a boat from the charter co we were with and you paid a per diem for a skipper and a cook, you were responsible for providing for their food as well. Now fully crewed charters including food are different. Anyway I think I would advise couples chartering together have several discussions about what they are going to do. They should understand even on a nice vessel in some ways they are "camping on the water". Things will often go wrong, genset or Ac breakdown..a head malfunction. Shower sump get clogged. Stuff happens. It is not like a resort stay, though the captain and company should do everything possible to make your trip everything they can. I would also advise using the same plan we all learned in school when they take your candy away. "If you don't bring enough for everybody, don't bring any. ". I would be as uncomfortable as bringing a dish to a picnic or a church supper and telling the kitchen crew.."this is only for these two couples" It seems you were on a hybrid between bareboat and crewed charter and it did not work out. Maybe a real crewed charter or just the two couples that wanted to bring food would work better. Not trying to change your mind but if others reading and expecting nothing to go wrong on a charter to reconsider that type of vacation. . I also would encourage people to share and share alike on provisioning the boat. If bring stuff you like, bring enough for everyone. Anyway hope you all get back as friends. Life is way to short to let little things like how hot the water is or who didn't get what at the dinner table to ruin friendships. I'm sorry for your angst but brought a smile to my face thinking about the late Bill Hartzman's description of some of his charters gone bad years ago on TTOL.. Sail on Bill H .
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Mdsmurph]
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08/07/2016 12:43 PM
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Mdsmurph said: Wow, the worst part is your loss of your friendships! I think BVI charters may not be for your group. The bright side is that your A/c worked the whole trip. Next time you may want to try a cruise... Cheaper, with all the amenities. Fair winds to you guys. Yep! Today when the AC or potty does not work on a cruise ship CNN runs with the story 24/7. Where is Clint Eastwood when you need him. Let me summarize. A "new" Lagoon 52 with AC, Watermaker, Five (5) Electric Flush Thrones, a crew of two, an extra private container with 30lbs of meat and at least 5lbs pounds of bacon... fouled by +/- engine room temperature water in June? According to the writer two experience captains working in tandem on two different boats reached agreement on at least some of the issues before the boats even left the dock. The shore manager dispatch a boat to the situation and reached the same conclusion later in the charter. Maybe Burger King and "Have it Your Way".
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Mdsmurph]
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08/07/2016 04:15 PM
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I still don't understand the lack of hot water. Unless it is as George said and the valves were turned off or something - running the engine should give plenty of hot water. And a boat that size should have two water heaters - I'd think at least one would have been working.
I'm also surprised friendships would be damaged over this - Kind of makes me wonder how good the friendship really was? Even no A/C shouldn't ruin any friendships and for anyone that prefers it, a night without A/C is a lot longer then a quick shower.
And I guess I also don't understand the whole meat issue. Since any food on the boat had to be purchased, why not just have purchased the meat for everyone to use AND pay for? Seems that would have made life easier for the chef and maybe avoided problems there.
End of the day, having done well over a dozen charters with a variety of groups, there's one very simple thing I've learned. You simply don't charter with people who aren't flexible. When on a boat, you need to go with the flow and know things aren't always going to be perfect.
And if you do want to do a charter with chef and captain, a crewed boat is probably a better choice then a bareboat with hired captain and cook.
Matt
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Mdsmurph]
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08/07/2016 04:23 PM
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I can see how you'd be disappointed and I'm really sorry things went badly for you guys. It won't help you but at least you let CatCo know about your experiences with the captain and the cook. I can't imagine why the captain would not run an engine for hot water in the evening. I sense the cook had his own ideas of what he was going to do - he just wasn't prepared to tell you his plan. In both cases that would be "no tip for you"! Of course, if either had a reasonable explanation for their actions, I'd be willing to accept that and move on.
For those interested in as near a perfect trip as possible hire a full time crew and boat - if they can't keep everyone happy no one can.
It's all about expectations and nobody prepares the uninitiated for the downsides of paradise; things like oppressive heat at the dock, sunburn, mosquitos, no-see-ums, flies, jelly fish, sea sickness, rain, rough weather, lightening & thunder, breakdowns, crew incompatibility and having to obey a command or do some work from time to time.
Life involves risks, take some prudent ones (NOT with the BVI ferries)!
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: beerMe]
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08/07/2016 09:52 PM
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beerMe said:
For those interested in as near a perfect trip as possible hire a full time crew and boat - if they can't keep everyone happy no one can.
I have been Captain and previously a chef and a mate on full time crewed Charter boats - It was some of the easiest and hardest weeks of my career - totally depending on the guests expectations and attitudes and occasionally alcohol consumption.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: GTcapt]
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08/08/2016 09:40 AM
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GTcapt said: We had the spare cabin you were welcome too. It had very hot water. And the plot thickens... In all seriousness, I'm sad that this group had such a bad experience. I wonder how they found this particular boat/crew and how much research went in to finding them.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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$18'000 for a week for 3 couples and you had to bring your own food? Just curious what kind of boat was it? how large?
Last time I checked you can get a 58' cat chartered and crewed all inclusive for $20K. Don't see the value in this arrangement but don't have details.
I do feel a bit sorry for the chef. Trying to prepare meals in a galley and having to keep track of who's meat is who's and having to make multiple meals for a setting would get frustrating, confusing and impractical if not impossible.
Sorry, I also don't get the issue with no hot water. The water in those tanks have to be at least 39 deg (Celsius, Canadian Eh!) After a hot day in the sun and water, a nice cooling shower is much more refreshing and definitely not worth ruining a vacation or a relationship over.
Also you are combining boating with da'islands mon! Service standards, parts availability, repair times, all have to be set low. If they exceed great! If not, have another drink, enjoy the water and the beach...
Great story from renting From Moorings. The towel that they had on the boat to wipe your feet on was dirty from the maintenance people wiping their boots on to fix an odor issue from one of the heads (They ending up just spraying some cleaning solution which didn't fix the problem by the way.) When I asked for a fresh towel as the towel was already dirty before our departure they just looked at me with that... "what do you expect its for wiping dirty shoes, dumb [censored]" look . "Sorry no other towels available" they said... And that's when I remembered "oh yeah I am in da islands" and about to set off on a 7 day adventure of a life time! laughed it off and departed. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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UncleLuff said: $18'000 for a week for 6 couples and you had to bring your own food? Just curious what kind of boat was it? how large?
Last time I checked you can get a 58' cat chartered and crewed all inclusive for $20K. Don't see the value in this arrangement but don't have details.
I do feel a bit sorry for the chef. Trying to prepare meals in a galley and having to keep track of who's meat is who's and having to make multiple meals for a setting would get frustrating, confusing and impractical if not impossible.
Sorry, I also don't get the issue with no hot water. The water in those tanks have to be at least 39 deg (Celsius, Canadian Eh!) After a hot day in the sun and water, a nice cooling shower is much more refreshing and definitely not worth ruining a vacation or a relationship over.
Also you are combining boating with da'islands mon! Service standards, parts availability, repair times, all have to be set low. If they exceed great! If not have another drink, enjoy the water and the beach...
great story from renting the moorings. The towel that they had on the boat to wipe your feet on was dirty from the maintenance people wiping their boots on to fix an odor issue from one of the heads (They ending up just spraying some cleaning solution which didn't fix the problem by the way.) When I asked for a fresh towel as the towel was already dirty they just looked at me with that... "what do you expect its for wiping dirty shoe dumb [censored]" look . "Sorry no other towels available" they said... And that's when I remembered "oh yeah I am in da islands" and about to set off on a 7 day adventure of a life time! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" /> Actually an online quote from The Moorings for a crewed charter in the BVI for any 9 days next June for 8 people would be over $35,000 for the boat plus the 15-20 percent gratuity paid on the full amount at the conclusion of the charter. Using the actual charter numbers above this group paid $18,000 total for 9 day or +/-$250 per person per day for a crewed boat with AC, watermaker, and five (5) electric flush thrones.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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UncleLuff said: The water in those tanks have to be at least 39 deg (Celsius, Canadian Eh!) I think you meant "at least 29 deg".
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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casailor53 said:UncleLuff said: The water in those tanks have to be at least 39 deg (Celsius, Canadian Eh!) I think you meant "at least 29 deg". No actually upper 90s F. Is about right below deck after a hot sunny day in the BVi, warmer If engine or genset has been on. 29 C. Would require a charterer Togo waaaay too far north for a charter boat. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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"Service standards, parts availability, repair times, all have to be set low" As a boat owner in "da ilons" there are plenty of good mechanics, between SST, BVI, SJU, and SXM, parts are plentiful. You can get most anything overnighted. Depending on the location, water heater is an easy install. Since there were 2 and neither worked, I would assume they were turned off. Some of you think it's fine to take cold showers, not me. Here is a 11 gallon water heater, so cost should not have been an issue. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marin...111?recordNum=2
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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I dunno, but I suspect that there were a LOT of poorly working parts here.
Having run a crewed charterboat for years, and before that bareboat skippered (granted in the old days)here's my two pence.
I'm thinkin' that your party was a bunch of Millenials, or slightly older...used to instant gratification and anonymous communication. You would have been comfortable texting the crew of your displeasure, but would avoid actually sitting down with them and having a face-to-face meeting to iron out the problems before they became insurmountable.
The fact that you brought meat to be divided up differently at each or some meals is no less than ridiculous. Unfortunately your goofy chef didn't have the ability to discuss a more reasonable plan with you, and practiced the prevalent West Indian technique of avoidance (not to say that he was West Indian by birth). Obviously you should have stopped the madness at the first meal, and again...had a short meeting, which may or may not have been productive, as far as the silly meat allocation was concerned, but at least you would have had a plan.
The hot water thing is also nothing short of ridiculous. If you had knowledge that the engine heat exchanger was working, and that the problem could have been solved by running an engine or two...you obviously should have had a short meeting with the captain - mano-o-mano to resolve the issue. If it couldn't have been resolved...seriously...get over it. Cold water happens. And in August at Latitude 18, nothing is actually cold naturally. Take a saltwater bath with a freshwater rinse and enjoy your evening.
The captain sounds like an idiot. He should have been sensitive to your dissatisfaction and addressed it toute de suite. He should know that he's more flight attendant than pilot in the BVI. The fact that you tipped him is a testament to your weakness, not his.
The bottom line is that you should have...as some have emphatically suggested...gone with a crewed charter boat. They would have communicated with you in advance and worked out the details of your 'meat situation'. If there was no hot water, the skipper would have gone to the ends of the earth to solve the problem.
When I ran my charter boat, I would have done virtually anything to make you happy. And our guests agreed...with never a bad comment...in spite of many difficult situations (losing steering, inadequate power at night, running aground at Anegada...the list goes on).
I only actually terminated one charter. That was because the drunken wife, and mother of three, demanded 'special favors' from me. I negotiated a refund with the whipped hubby (everything was refunded except the cost of perishables - which we donated to the hospital). We put the entire family ashore in Road Town the next day.
Reasonable people talk reasonably to one another to resolve issues.
It ain't rocket science.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Lakegirl480]
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08/09/2016 08:41 AM
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Lakegirl480 said: Kryssa, I personally went to the company office at the marina Saturday morning before we left out to ask for the water issue to be addressed. They sent someone out to our boat on the water Tuesday and said it was a bad element. No other boat was offered to us. This was the first of the collapse of our friendship as two of the guests were adamant about the water being fixed and others were not. It caused a big scene Saturday morning before we left out. Everyone has their luxuries. Had the air conditioning not been working , for instance,others would have created a bigger stir than those with the water issue. It's all in what your comfort level is. We gave the chef the benefit of the doubt the first day and a half before we began asking for the meat that was packed. He just kept assuring us he was a professional chef and we were not to worry about it. By Thursday morning, having packed 5 pounds of bacon for 2 people and only having bacon one morning, things got heated with the chef. We only had internet at Peter island twice the whole week, which was fine, it was a group decision to try to enjoy the remainder of the trip and address the issues once we returned. George yes it was a brand new catamaran. We paid 18,0000.00 for the week for the boat,Capt. And chef. I expect hot water if the boat is equipped. we didn't pay that much to take cold showers all week. I suppose we could have fired the chef but we would have had to taken over cooking the meals and not all the ladies onboard had cooking skills so that would have left two women cooking all the meals for 8,plus crew,and that was not fair to ask of them. It was their vacation too. I guess only ladies can cook <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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I saw that too. Regardless, even though I am not a 'boat person', I just don't get the meat situation. Do people routinely bring their own separate meat supplies, when there is a bareboat? If I were renting a villa with two other couples, I would never do that..
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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Been renting villas with friends, chartering boats with friends, owned a charter boat inviting guests, own a condo where often have guests..since 1980s. Never heard of bringing food that is not for everybody. This whole thing makes little sense.
Such vacations are not for everyone ..if I could access Bill H's old story of the Charter from hell on here it might shed light. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
A Villa or a charter is a unique chance to share, accomodations, food, drink and good times between unrelated people for an extended time. Usually it works sometimes it doesn't.
I see sometimes people that seem to want to share expenses with other couples so they can have that fancy property or fancy boat for their dream vacation. It is not so much they want to share the accomodations, the food, the good times together..but as a means for each unit to experience the place.
To believe you lost friendship of 3 couples because the chef didn't parcel out the meat properly or that ruined your entire vacation over 30 pounds of meat...doesn't add up.
The warm, not hot water issue is strange in that in a letter to charter company was the only complaint against the captain. If he were Captain Bly there should be in more than a week's interaction a squawk list that would make him sound worse than what each of our presidential candidates are saying about each other. Did he take them everywhere they wanted to go? Do what they wanted to do? I just don't believe he would not start the engines if requested. Neither the chef or the captains actions would have caused true friendships to have been ruined by the participants on board. Indeed it would likely have made them stronger. I took an offshore course years ago with four aboard plus the instructor. He was a real jerk of the highest order. It actually brought the crew closer together and though his attitude made for a miserable 4 days, we had a great time laughing at the pub when it was over. Chartering or renting Accomodations with unrelated people is not for everyone. It is best if there is a good fit well established with common interest in doing it, not being "sold" or talked into going. It requires that everyone knows things might go wrong and are comfortable spending the money with no buyers remorse during or after.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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Love the way this post has gone. Some really nice BOATERS with personal boats much nicer than what they chartered had a bad experience. I know this because they are all on my dock and all raft up every weekend. I was there at the same time as said in another post, what they had as a crew is what i told them to expect! They should have bare boated but chose to sit back and enjoy. I always provision on island with the charter company, 15 times thus far. The meat they brought down can not be bought on island, no way near the quality. GMO, ABF, Organic.... who cares, they paid a lot to bring it and even more to have a CHEF, sure, cook it. I am in the food business with a chefs degree, CEC. I doubt if their chef had a dishwashers degree BUT, they paid for a dream vacation and basically got the shaft, twin screw in my opinion. I have been on TTOL since 2000 and just read and rarely if ever respond but, please members, understand that some people for their first or second time who pay for a crewed boat watch the Bravo show about yachting and expect at least a good time. Not toasted bagels for breakfast and cold showers. I am not defending them as they don't need it, just stating a fact and telling you that people I know well and enjoy every weekend did not get what they paid for. I met Capt Ron and Chef dishwasher at Norman Island for a drink on their boat. Both were laying on the couch doing nothing. and They got good tips. I would have tossed them on the dingy and a bottle of water for the run home:) My .02
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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GTcapt, I think most of us are just surprised that these issues would ruin a vacation or friendship. And I think many of us are also surprised that someone would bring meat and not just bring it for the entire group.
But I also think George has it right - should have done a fully crewed boat - that is a very different experience.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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maytrix said: GTcapt, I think most of us are just surprised that these issues would ruin a vacation or friendship. And I think many of us are also surprised that someone would bring meat and not just bring it for the entire group. "
Absolutely.. There is more between the members chartering this boat than there likely is between charterers and crew. Note..the claim was that the group never spoke to each other again after the "travesty" of cooking the poster's meat for "everyone including the crew" . Seems quite obvious that's when pettiness between the couples hit the fan..,likely the hot water is a red herring. Love t hear the captains story. What possible gain for him not to run engines? Why would his intransigence if true...do anthing but bind the couples together. Nope, not buying
If all three of these couples have boats worth more than a tricked out Lagoon 52..,worth about 1.2 million $ ..why the big fuss over 30# of meat and why the "vacation of a lifetime" if they each own million $ plus boats??? Doesn't add up. 5 to 6 grand to charter wouldn't pay a months payment on their boat loan if had one if true, let alone maintenance dockage etc.. . The personal boat they own is "much better" than 1.2 mil which means their boats are worth 200 x what they each paid for the trip. These then would be extremely high net worth individuals...who are flummoxed over a few steaks and 5 pounds of bacon? never to speak to each other again ? Sorry think there is more to story ...has to be.
Buyers remorse often leads one to blame others for their own mistakes. I don't even know anyone who has chartered from this outfit, but don't feel they or the crew are getting a fair shake on this site when the complaints seem to not add up to a terrible experience and three couples not speaking after sharing food meant for only certain guests. More we have not heard went on I would bet everything.
But I also think George has it right - should have done a fully crewed boat - that is a very different experience.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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maytrix said: GTcapt, I think most of us are just surprised that these issues would ruin a vacation or friendship. And I think many of us are also surprised that someone would bring meat and not just bring it for the entire group.
But I also think George has it right - should have done a fully crewed boat - that is a very different experience. That's pretty much the way I see it as well. I can't fathom why any of the problems described in the original post would ruin a friendship. Makes zero sense.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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Lakegirl480 said: Some of you missed the part where we , as a group, in meetings prior to departure, understood the meat situation. None of the group had an issue with some having their own meat. It was discussed with the so called chef, day before departure, expectations of how the meals were to be served. He enthusiastically stated it wouldn't be a problem. So, once again, all we are wanting is a reasonable explanation why we didn't have hot water and why our premium steaks were thrown overboard. Lake, Your own writing provides the explanation. You were on a bareboat with a rented driver and cook. The element on the single water heater failed and could not be replaced in a timely manner. In the opinion of the cook, hired to prepare meals for everyone, some of the meat spoiled and was disposed of. I also suspect your tone or the approach of others failed you along the way. The majority of the bareboat captains and cooks have a routine they know they can reasonable deliver without risk. Most will stick to their routine. You may find some fully crewed charters different. Starting with the pre charter customer survey. Checkout in the hours BEFORE you started your charter was the time to dispute any issue that made the yacht unacceptable. CHECKOUT is the time provided for you to inspect the yacht you chartered. At some point someone in your group signed for and accepted the yacht. That was the time to force any issue important to your group. I note "hot water" is NOT on any charter operators guarantee list that I know of. I am sorry this did not work out for your group. My theory here is somehow your group was oversold a fantasy complicated with some unwelcome in the Caribbean guest body english. Abrupt, direct, bossiness, is not the best practice to gain favor anywhere in the Caribbean. In your first post here you call a person out for lying in a public writing. That may be TTOL first! CatCo is one of the best in the business. An operator that only work with high quality boats that are never allowed to stay in the fleet more than three years. The are also a sponsor here: http://www.traveltalkonline.com/docs/sponsors.html along with many other great operators.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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Will_L, my first thought upon reading the original post was of BillH too. He had some great stories and would have well related to this one. Bought back fond memories.
Back to the OP. Very surprised to see the OP being slammed here. Perhaps they should have hired a true crewed charter, still the Charter Co should be held fully accountable for providing poor staff. The OP didn't go out and hire their own crew off the street. They relied on a reputable company that advertises a service to provide a captain and/or a cook for their charters. This places the responsibility of providing experienced quality crew on them, NOT the charterers. The Charter Co failed here.
As to the lack of hot water, one of the many things I have learned from TTOL and from chartering is to count on your charter boat having an issue. Others here will have a better understanding of how the Charter Co should have better handled the hot water problem. I have always chartered crewed boats, often had boat maintenance issues and problems were always resolved quickly and quietly.
Rita's comment as to always use owner crewed charters is misleading. ANY crew, owner or hired, can suck. Due diligence through your own research, a yacht broker, or chartering from a quality company helps, but like all travel much of it is a crap shoot and hope for the best.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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Susan, I don't think the OP was all that badly slammed here. I think the big issue many (myself included) have is that this made the trip a nightmare and potentially ruined friendships. And I think most of us found it odd one couple would bring meat just for themselves rather then bring it for the whole group.
I think most of us would be annoyed, perhaps upset, but move on and enjoy the trip. Perhaps there was more to it then just the meat and hot water though.
I do think the Charter Co is still responsible and should do something as do I think most others that commented. I think the charter company also should have been communicated with during the trip as well. After all, you can complain to the captain, but they aren't the ones the big payment was made to.
It would be great to hear if there was any follow up from the charter co.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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maytrix, you are correct, using "slammed" was an overly strong word. I did read many of the posts as the had the OP done A, B, C, this would not have happened. Maybe so, but that is hindsight.
You are also correct in that the charter company should have been notified too. However, I can see that as being a difficult decision. Your charter is prepaid, you are on and likely going to stay on this boat with the 2 folks you are going to complain about. Odds are high the situation is likely to get more unpleasant. It would be a tough call to make.
Wondering too about Charter Co's response.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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It sounds like the trip started badly and went straight down hill from there. I always use a first tier charter company, hopefully reducing the number of boat issues during the week, but there are always some issues, although often minor (that we can solve ourselves or do without). One trip a year ago was a little challenging. A belt on one of the catamaran engines failed and the engine was overheating. The charter chase boat came to the rescue, but we loss half a day. Late the next afternoon the generator threw a belt and we had no A/C on a hot summer evening. I called the charter base at near closing and was told the seas in the channel were too rough for the chase boat. Could we wait until tomorrow? (We were at Norman Island.) In a calm voice I responded that I was tired, hot, and needed help. About 30 minutes later I see the charter company chase boat crossing the channel with sea spray flying over the top of the boat. He had a big smile, replaced the belt, and afterwards we furnished a cool drink and a smoke. He apologized for the inconvenience, jumped back into the chase boat and headed back to the charter base. I guess my point is ... "[censored] happens". I doubt if any charter company will find financial success by being unreasonable with clients, but perfection is a hard goal to achieve, although most seem to be attempting to keep issues to a minimum.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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I find this quote from the original post very telling. There are some styles that work better than others across the Carribean to cajole more from those in positions of local power... "The neighboring boat captain (Hal) came aboard and told us if we did not stop complaining the boat wouldn't leave the port as the captain (Ron) would quit on the spot. This did not set well with us." Have you ever witnessed a captain on the boat next door boarding another boat to tell a group to knock it off? Somewhere along the way somebody taught me the importance of starting every BVI encounter with a pleasant patient Good Morning! How are you? or similar. I am thinking we did not start off with the expected BVI patience and pleasantries.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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Lakegirl480 said: We were chastised each time we entered the galley to get a bite to snack on. One more note, of course <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> ........ Every chef on every crewed charter I have experienced made in very clear from the first day to stay out of the galley. Period. It was non-negotiable.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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SusanC said:Lakegirl480 said: We were chastised each time we entered the galley to get a bite to snack on. One more note, of course <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> ........ Every chef on every crewed charter I have experienced made in very clear from the first day to stay out of the galley. Period. It was non-negotiable. I'm sorry I am a very good cook/chef but screw the bought chef it's MY money and I'm the customer.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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RickinAtlanta said:SusanC said:Lakegirl480 said: We were chastised each time we entered the galley to get a bite to snack on. One more note, of course <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> ........ Every chef on every crewed charter I have experienced made in very clear from the first day to stay out of the galley. Period. It was non-negotiable. I'm sorry I am a very good cook/chef but screw the bought chef it's MY money and I'm the customer. Maybe someone in the dining business could chime in on the pluses and minuses with encouraging the the customers to invade the kitchen. On our cruises we do out best to limit the galley to those taking ownership of the food plan. Nothing worse than the larger males filled with Rhum playing with the blender and the juice containers.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: StormJib]
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As far as not going in the galley, I guess the one thing we'd need to know is who provisioned the boat? For a fully crewed charter, they do it all. So they know what is needed and if you need a snack or something, they'll get it.
In this case it was a hired chef. If they provisioned though, then they'd know what was needed for meals and what was needed for snacks..etc so just going in and raiding the fridge could impact their meal plan. If the charterers provisioned and had a hand in planning the meals, then that might be different.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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StormJib said:RickinAtlanta said:SusanC said:Lakegirl480 said: We were chastised each time we entered the galley to get a bite to snack on. One more note, of course <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> ........ Every chef on every crewed charter I have experienced made in very clear from the first day to stay out of the galley. Period. It was non-negotiable. I'm sorry I am a very good cook/chef but screw the bought chef it's MY money and I'm the customer. Maybe someone in the dining business could chime in on the pluses and minuses with encouraging the the customers to invade the kitchen. On our cruises we do out best to limit the galley to those taking ownership of the food plan. Nothing worse than the larger males filled with Rhum playing with the blender and the juice containers. I am in the "dining business" and we're talking a galley here that the chartering customers paid for NOT a commercial foodservice operation. BTW, would it be better in your always humble opinion if the larger males filled with Rhum were smaller filled with RUM? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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StormJib said: Rewrite: It is always best to stay away from the clutches, throttles, and wheel when someone else is tasked with driving the boat. It is always best to stay out of the work space of the person paid or "volunteering" to cook and clean for the group. If you are drunk that is doubly important. When invited for brunch I stay out of the kitchen unless specifically asked and I do not bring my own cooler of bacon for you to fry up for me. If you were "invited for brunch" that means you're in someone else's home/business! This specific situation is concerning a cat that people paid to charter. For some reason you're focusing on this "drunk" aspect which has never been mentioned by anyone but you.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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JustBS said: Besides, isn't there usually a cooler or a "snack basket" where folks can grab something if they're hungry? Yes, always full and stocked with the snacks the guests requested. Also a cooler, full and iced with the guests preferred water, alcohol, and non- alcoholic beverages. BUT, this was not a true "crewed charter", more of an a la carte hired staff of a captain and a cook. Perhaps an attempt at having a true crewed charter experience by piecing the staff together and self provisioning to save a few bucks ? Sounds like it. Some of the onboard guests had higher expectations for sure.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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StormJib said:In the opinion of the cook, hired to prepare meals for everyone, some of the meat spoiled and was disposed of. Having lived down here for a year now I am going to go out on a limb and guess that the "chef" had never seen a dry-aged steak?
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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Thanks for the followups. I agree the charter company should have called you back as good customer service. They owe that to you regardless what the captain or cook said. To not do so is not right at all..even if they decided your case did not merit compensation. Shame on them. My guess is that nobody wanted to make that call. Kind of human nature not to want to give bad news or tell someone "you have no case". On the other hand the charter company I assume set you up with this captain and this cook. Do they have years of good reviews for this crew, know them, see them weekly, trust them. They relayed your complaints, the captain and cook gave feedback, the charter company came to the conclusion that you were not entitled to compensation. With your complaints as given here, and every other charter guest gave them kudos, I'm sorry to to tell you, they will rightfully trust the crew. A better response would be an apology for your feeling it was not the charter you wanted with a small monetary discount on another charter. But regardless the only in some ways fascinating and totally bizarre part of this story that we obviously only heard one side of is that you blame the charter company for the disintegration of friendships back home with the fellow couples chartering the boat. I suspect the comment way back something to the effect " they served the meat people brought to everyone on board including the crew." Had more to do with the hard feelings than the crew actions or failing hot water which should unite the crew in mutiny! So again I would urge anyone not to invite people so you can have the charter of a lifetime and see those you invite as a way to lower costs...take a less expensive course. Then for gosh sakes if you take food aboard, unless a vegan or you have stashed a snickers for personal consumption..share and share alike. It's a party with people. Part of that is sharing experiences and food and drink. Hope you return and have a better experience. Was not anything about this week enjoyable?
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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No hot water: not a big deal in my mind. How long are you actually in a shower while on board anyway? 2 minutes? 3 mintues? And that's only every couple of days... Hell, half the facilities I've used on shore didn't have properly functioning hot water. It's friggin' hot enough down there, the water isn't going to be that cold.
Steaks: Yeah, I'd be pissed, and ask to be reimbursed for the cost of them or stop somewhere to have them replaced, but that would be the end of it.
Friendships Lost: That's on you and your friends. I've lost some "friends" due to events on (even before) a charter, but I sure a s**t didn't blame it on the boat <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
... just my $0.02
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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I don't think you can compare any real situation to Below Deck. Below Deck is not reality. It is a show where they cast the crew and guests and I would bet much of it is also scripted and directed..
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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Lakegirl480 said: ....and I assure you it will be a flawless trip.
Lakegirl480 may be tempting fate here..
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
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Lakegirl480 said: I wanted to bump this back to the top since here are new members who may be looking at this company to charter. BEWARE OF THE CATAMARAN COMPANY!!! Jesus... give it a rest already. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/hammer.gif" alt="" /> You didn't have water that was hot enough to suit your liking... so friggin' what? You're in the Caribbean where it's 80F+ every day. A cool (no possible way it was cold) shower won't kill you. You lost some steaks... again, so what? You're out $100 or so on a $10K+ trip? If you went ashore and ordered a steak from one of the finer establishments on any of the islands you probably would have had a better meal than can/would be prepared on the boat. You "lost friends"... either they were sh*tty friends or you're to blame. Either way, get over it. Going back on this I can just about guarantee where the blame should be firmly placed. I hope the mods lock this thread.
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Twanger]
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06/16/2017 02:20 PM
06/16/2017 02:20 PM
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Yeah, seriously - give it a rest. The hot shower thing is just beyond pampered / wimpish. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
Guitar player for Da Tree Men
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Will_L]
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07/15/2017 08:22 PM
07/15/2017 08:22 PM
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LianeLeTendre
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Will_L said: ... Looks to me Ike it may be time to give up the vendetta. Perhaps reconcile with the alienated friends and choose a new destination. Where is that gosh darn "like" button? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Lakegirl480]
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09/11/2018 04:57 PM
09/11/2018 04:57 PM
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maytrix
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It's been 2 years, I think its time to let it go.
Have you done another chater? How'd it go?
Matt
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: BEERMAN]
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09/11/2018 09:39 PM
09/11/2018 09:39 PM
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maytrix
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Hey Maytrix, I'll never forgive you for not finding shore power the night we sweated to death off Les Saintes! That was 2 years ago also, I think?! I've never forgiven myself! LOL
Matt
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Lakegirl480]
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09/11/2018 11:07 PM
09/11/2018 11:07 PM
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RickinAtlanta
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Its been a while since I bumped this thread up for any new travelers that may be considering the Catamaran Company as a booking agent. No need for any snide remarks(again) from the peanut gallery. This is simply to educate those who may be considering this trip and may help generate some questions (that I wish I had known to ask before traveling).
Lakegirl480 Hey Lakegirl go back to your lake and give this a frickin REST
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare
[Re: Lakegirl480]
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09/12/2018 08:50 AM
09/12/2018 08:50 AM
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Huhm, not sure I would put it that way, but I don't care for the original poster bumping the post that way, so we will close this one here.
Carol Hill
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