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Re: Boatyball
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12/22/2018 02:16 PM
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Thanks, looking forward to using the system in March....
I always take life with a grain of salt. Plus a slice of lemon, and a shot of tequila
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Re: Boatyball
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12/22/2018 09:16 PM
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sail445
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This has happened one time that we are aware of and the boat moved once confronted. So the first thing would be to politely ask them to move. The moorings are clearly marked reservation only so anyone moored without a reservation should know that they are in the wrong. However, this is a new program and not every captain will look at the mooring after tying up. If the boat refuses to move or if there is no one on the boat then we recommend notifying the establishment that collects moorings fees. At Cooper Island Beach Club and Anegada Reef Hotel I would call or go to the bar. At Leverick I would call into the dock and notify them that another boat is on your reserved mooring. These moorings are private property and the owners have the right to ask them to leave. We believe these two steps will address most issues. So basically you’re saying to Drop Anchor Near Or In Mooring field and make a complaint by taking your dinghy to shore and make a complaint. Great this takes the problem out of your hands. Another words Leave it up to charter
Last edited by sail445; 12/22/2018 09:19 PM.
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Re: Boatyball
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12/22/2018 09:36 PM
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Alec Atteberry
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So basically you’re saying to Drop Anchor Near Or In Mooring field and make a complaint by taking your dinghy to shore and make a complaint. Great this takes the problem out of your hands. Another words Leave it up to charter
What would you suggest?
Last edited by Alec Atteberry; 12/22/2018 09:42 PM.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: sail445]
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12/22/2018 11:46 PM
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[/quote] Drop Anchor Near Or In Mooring field and make a complaint by taking your dinghy to shore and make a complaint. Great this takes the problem out of your hands. Another words Leave it up to charter [/quote]
Maybe RADIO the bar/ dock? Or drop dingy in water and send 2 crew (Most charter boats have 6-8 people on board).
This is NOT the first reserved balls in BVI. I reserved one at The Last Resort in Trellis bay on Fullmoon Party. Got to ours and it was poorly marked. But dingy came by and pointed out reserve status to several boats who were attempting to pick up vacant/reserved balls.
I say this might be answer in accomplishing the 2 stated goals. Give them a try. Hopefully it will work with minimal issues. Maybe some issues will have to be addressed.
IF there is a base manager, hopefully they will keep an eye on the boats on the reserved balls and ask them to move.
I am looking forward to trying the BoatyBall System on my next trip.
Last edited by Deepcut; 12/22/2018 11:55 PM.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: Alec Atteberry]
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12/23/2018 09:10 AM
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sail445
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So basically you’re saying to Drop Anchor Near Or In Mooring field and make a complaint by taking your dinghy to shore and make a complaint. Great this takes the problem out of your hands. Another words Leave it up to charter
What would you suggest? It’s not my business, I don’t know what resources they have.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: FRANKIE2]
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12/23/2018 04:54 PM
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BoatyBall.com "Reservable" mooring balls have been added to the Anchorages page on the BVI Mariner site to help promote their use. Seems to me they are doing all the right things for all the right reasons. Thanks - Mark
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Re: Boatyball
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12/23/2018 08:04 PM
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BoatyBall ... We found that we were spending less and less time on the water in order to find a mooring in some of our favorite bays. We partnered with Moor Seacure .....We also solicited input from several of the large charter companies. We made the app free and web based so everybody would have access to the app.
I was an early skeptic of the first post. Even accused it as an April fool joke. But with these excellent explanations it does appear to make sense. More time on the water sailing, less worrying about finding a spot for the night - sounds like a good options. And I love capitalism.
Last edited by jphart; 12/23/2018 08:10 PM.
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Re: Boatyball
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12/23/2018 08:19 PM
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Are these new moorings or are they taking existing moorings and replacing the ball?
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Re: Boatyball
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12/23/2018 09:06 PM
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Alec Atteberry
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Are these new moorings or are they taking existing moorings and replacing the ball? As of now they’re just replacing the mooring ball not installing new moorings.
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Re: Boatyball
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12/24/2018 07:02 AM
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I hear the 'benefits' and reasoning behind this new venture. And clearly the intentions of the people behind this are good. But personally we still don't see any benefits to us as frequent charterers, only negatives.
As GeorgeC1 says...sometimes you don't know where you're headed for the night until later in the day. Yes, there is always a mad rush for balls at a certain time in the afternoon, but doesnt this app just kick the can further down the road? You will have people sitting on the app and booking balls the second that reservations for that day are available. So then instead of relaxing and enjoying being on Island Time you're sitting making sure you're on the app at the right time to book the next day's mooring...a bit like online check-in for a flight that doesnt have seat-allocations! 'Click, refresh...click, refresh...click, refresh...click, refresh...frantic typing'!
Balls have always been first-come-first-serve. This is no different...it just takes the battle for balls into 'app-world' and 24hrs earlier.
Also, we enjoy arriving in a mooring field and then selecting which ball we want, based on the prevailing conditions in that moment...sometimes you want more breeze, sometimes you're trying to tuck in out of the wind or swell. Sometimes there is a powercat filled with young hooligans partying and enjoying themselves...which is absolutely fine, of course, the islands are for everyone to enjoy...but we might choose to moor further away from them, if we're looking for a more peaceful spot for the afternoon/night.
With respect to Anegada, the depth is tight getting into the mooring field on a 48ft mono. We approach very carefully and then select whichever empty ball we can actually get to without grounding! If we have reserved and paid for a boatyball...and then find that it happens to be too shallow for us then we're stuffed. A map/picture on an app is not going to be enough for me to make that assessment.
I'm sure this will work for some people. Just saying, for us...it doesnt.
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Re: Boatyball
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12/25/2018 06:35 PM
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A CREWED charter would be last that I would expect to be a violator. Will be interested to see if Dream Yacht Charters has been briefing their crews/charters on this new development. In my experience crewed boats are sometimes the worst violators of sailing etiquette. I suspect they feel under pressure to deliver the perfect guest experience and as a result push things to much.
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Re: Boatyball
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12/25/2018 06:52 PM
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George, that has definitely been my observation, too. Overnighting on day boat moorings, anchoring just feet from the reef so guests can snorkel off the back, helping guests hike on private islands where they know darn well they are not allowed. They want to deliver the “perfect” experience in the name of a big tip.
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Re: Boatyball
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12/25/2018 08:58 PM
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sail445
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A CREWED charter would be last that I would expect to be a violator. Will be interested to see if Dream Yacht Charters has been briefing their crews/charters on this new development. Well we all know BELONGERS have more say and if the crewed charter Capt is a belonger he might feel Entitled..... No more needed to be said
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: trueblue]
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12/26/2018 12:22 PM
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Posts: 1,481 Memphis, BVI, CT
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Trueblue, that was one of their motivations: eliminate the cash on both ends of the transaction.
I see a lot of positives. Moorseacure knows what their tackle is designed to handle. If the captain has to say what kind of boat is reserving, then the app can decline a reservation from a boat which doesn’t conform, thus protecting Moorseacure’s property.
If heavier moorings, separated further apart are needed, then Boaty Ball can charge accordingly. Why should a 38’ mono pay the same as a 65’ cat, when far more of the former can be accommodated?
There can also be high and low season rates, or different rates for different days of the week.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: FRANKIE2]
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12/26/2018 03:57 PM
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I agree the concept is good. I think it does open the door to a lot of potential issues - only time will tell if any of them come true. But charging extra during busy times or holidays..etc would be annoying. It's always been the same price regardless of time of year. They could also charge more as the number of balls available decrease..etc.. stuff like that would be a major turnoff from using it.
Matt
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