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Re: Boatyball [Re: FRANKIE2] #187381
03/15/2019 05:44 AM
03/15/2019 05:44 AM
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Unforgiving and salty? Well, I've been called worse over the journey!

But to be clear, the official unforgiving and salty terminology (or UST for short) is 'sharp hook thing at the pointy end'.

Pointy end - bow
Sharp hook thing - anchor
Blunt end - stern
Anti-scratch balloons - fenders
Nautical pitchfork - thing for hooking hideous 'Boatyball'
String - stuff to attach boat to hideous 'Boatyball'

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Re: Boatyball [Re: warren460] #187388
03/15/2019 07:19 AM
03/15/2019 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by warren460
And when monopoly pricing pushes the price or boatyball to $100 per night, will you still feel the same way?


No I will be in Culebra on my anchor having cheap lobster at the Dinghy Dock.

Jay

Re: Boatyball [Re: fromaway3774] #187391
03/15/2019 08:23 AM
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Re: Boatyball [Re: CaptainJay] #187392
03/15/2019 08:24 AM
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I agree Jay, Culebra is still pretty much unspoiled

Re: Boatyball [Re: warren460] #187393
03/15/2019 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by warren460
And when monopoly pricing pushes the price or boatyball to $100 per night, will you still feel the same way?


It's all about supply and demand. Would I pay $100 for a boatyball at Norman? No, and that's why they don't operate there. Cooper? Yes, especially if it meant I could show up at 3:00pm instead of 11:00am. If I didn't want to pay the $100, then I would either skip the destination or arrive early enough to ensure a FCFS ball. The premium charge over a FCFS ball pays for the service (attendant, harbor manager) to enforce the reservation.

Unless I'm missing something, folks who don't want to use the system, and who are comfortable anchoring, shouldn't be impacted at all. So I don't understand the negative energy for a business that is trying to provide a service that I would gladly use on my next trip.

Re: Boatyball [Re: fromaway3774] #187394
03/15/2019 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fromaway3774
Originally Posted by warren460
And when monopoly pricing pushes the price or boatyball to $100 per night, will you still feel the same way?


It's all about supply and demand. Would I pay $100 for a boatyball at Norman? No, and that's why they don't operate there. Cooper? Yes, especially if it meant I could show up at 3:00pm instead of 11:00am. If I didn't want to pay the $100, then I would either skip the destination or arrive early enough to ensure a FCFS ball. The premium charge over a FCFS ball pays for the service (attendant, harbor manager) to enforce the reservation.

Unless I'm missing something, folks who don't want to use the system, and who are comfortable anchoring, shouldn't be impacted at all. So I don't understand the negative energy for a business that is trying to provide a service that I would gladly use on my next trip.


But it seems the one with the fastest internet connection wins, not the most money.


Colleen


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Re: Boatyball [Re: Christo] #187405
03/15/2019 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Christo
Unforgiving and salty? Well, I've been called worse over the journey!

But to be clear, the official unforgiving and salty terminology (or UST for short) is 'sharp hook thing at the pointy end'.

Pointy end - bow
Sharp hook thing - anchor
Blunt end - stern
Anti-scratch balloons - fenders
Nautical pitchfork - thing for hooking hideous 'Boatyball'
String - stuff to attach boat to hideous 'Boatyball'


Are they really that hideous haha? Maybe you just need to spend a little more time with them

Re: Boatyball [Re: fromaway3774] #187411
03/15/2019 12:16 PM
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Your quote:
Unless I'm missing something, folks who don't want to use the system, and who are comfortable anchoring, shouldn't be impacted at all. So I don't understand the negative energy for a business that is trying to provide a service that I would gladly use on my next trip.

Anchoring is very limited due to the fact the the anchorage is full of mooring balls.
Sure there’s going to be some negative energy towards Boatyball because they’re taking some of the first come first serve existing balls, and raising the prices.

Re: Boatyball [Re: FRANKIE2] #187462
03/15/2019 07:15 PM
03/15/2019 07:15 PM
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In time, I expect that some anchorages will have no fcfs balls


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Re: Boatyball [Re: FRANKIE2] #187626
03/17/2019 11:10 AM
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Have sailed in several regions and will be back to the BVI this June. I signed up for Boaty Ball and have been monitoring availability. This winter reservations secured the 7am balls, but there have been balls available even in the afternoon. Cancellations maybe?

I fine departing early if needed to grab a first come ball. I am comfortable with my skills anchoring, but a ball provides a much better night sleep.

I plan to use Boaty Ball to secure a ball at Cooper and Anegada. Will allow for a casual departure. If at 7am a ball reservation isn't available, then no worries and go to Plan B or C.

It's the same number of boats using the same number of balls. To reserve or not is a personal choice.

As boating is a huge part of BVI tourism, it seems the real answer is to install more balls, and it's in the best interest of the BVI's to make it happen.

Re: Boatyball [Re: FRANKIE2] #187633
03/17/2019 12:06 PM
03/17/2019 12:06 PM
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This will probably be a unpopular opinion but the real answer is a limit on the number of charterboat permits granted. Places like Cooper really don’t have room for additional balls. Popular anchorages are simply maxed out at peak times.
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Re: Boatyball [Re: FRANKIE2] #187635
03/17/2019 12:22 PM
03/17/2019 12:22 PM
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George, there is no limit to the number of cruise ship people or charter boats the BVI can accommodate, just ask the politicians and tourist board. If the Baths and White Bay get a little busy, just redirect folks to the mural on the ridge or the cultural stroll through Long Look.

Re: Boatyball [Re: FRANKIE2] #187640
03/17/2019 12:59 PM
03/17/2019 12:59 PM
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Maybe when Saba and Bitter End get back to operating, it will take some pressure off the balls at Cooper. Also Willy T back at Norman would bring boats back to the Bight. West End not really operating, Trellis and Marina seem to be not as popular and the slips at Scrub now used by DYC.

It seems from trip reports itineraries go like this: Cooper, JVD, Leverick, Anegada.

I didn't think I would ever consider a land based trip to BVI but it is now becoming something I am seriously considering.

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