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Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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I just received an email from this company. Their website does not list pricing. You have to fill out a form to get a quote. Has anyone on here ever used them? Expensive? I see they fly into Anegada. So curious.
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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12/17/2019 02:59 PM
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I was curious as to how they got my email.... As am I. I have only used VIAirlink within the islands. I am certain they would not have given Fly Bode their customer list. I did reach out and asked for a quote from St Thomas to Anegada. I'll let you know how they compare.
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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12/28/2019 09:56 AM
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Expensive is in the eye of the beholder. Some folks are willing to pay some extra for the convenience. I have a quote for 6 people that amounts to about 2.5x what we pay for scheduled flights on Intercaribbean. I can see the convenience why some folks would opt to go that route but it's hard to imagine the crews we take choosing to pay that much extra. It's definitely possible we'll go that route at some point in the next 5 years but for many/most of our crews that won't work.
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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Hmm, turboprops are more reliable than piston engines? Good info -- I didn't know that. Dan Look up Pilatus
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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12/30/2019 03:27 PM
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I did hear back from Fly Bode. I was curious since the email stated they were flying into Anegada. Apparently they have decided the runway is too short for their comfort. So no flights to Anegada.
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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12/30/2019 05:58 PM
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This is what I was emailed:
Sorry about the delay getting back to you on your quotation request but we are actually currently reviewing our offer to/from the Anegada (NGD) airport. While our King Air C90XP is capable of operating safely at that airport, the short runway does not allow enough safety margins. Bode Aviation, Inc. has had an impeccable safety record for many years by carefully mitigating risks and for now, we believe that we must decline offering service to that airport to maintain those standards.
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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12/30/2019 06:52 PM
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They fly the King Air C90. It is not capable of routine operations on a 2600 foot runway. They do have some performance mods that probably give it equivalent performance to the C402. The Cessna 402 used by most of the charter outfits needs 2400 feet to land with a 6 seat interior at 59 degrees. It’s very marginal for that runway or outright dangerous at higher temps. The owner of Bode Air is making the correct decision. He should be commended for putting safety ahead of revenue. Operators flying the C 402 into Anegada are the foolish ones as would be anyone putting their family onboard. There are charter operators using smaller aircraft into Anegada that are suitable. The Virgin Gorda airport is 3100 feet long. I would consider that about the minimum length at BVI temps for either aircraft. G
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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No complaints on my end with Bode Aviation’s decision. I admire that.
@GeorgeC1 Are you telling me the Cessna 402 is not safe landing on Anegada? I’ve flown on the 402 a couple of times a year for the last 5 years in and out of Anegada. I have no airplane knowledge whatsoever. So am I really risking my family?
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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12/30/2019 07:33 PM
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It's the margin of error. Anything go wrong like brakes, engine power, misjudged air density, etc 200 feet is not enough room to safely recover.
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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As I stated the C402 is marginal for that runway. It would depend on winds, temperature and the weight of the aircraft. Light weight with a 15 knot headwind it would be fine. 88 degree day with calm winds and a moderate load I would not put my family onboard. Keep in mind that when you fly on a part 121 commercial airline they calculate takeoff performance so that if they lose a engine at the most critical point in the takeoff roll they can either stop on the remaining runway or continue the takeoff safely. Part 91 charter operators are not required to do that and can calculate performance based on both engines. G
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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As I stated the C402 is marginal for that runway. It would depend on winds, temperature and the weight of the aircraft. Light weight with a 15 knot headwind it would be fine. 88 degree day with calm winds and a moderate load I would not put my family onboard. Keep in mind that when you fly on a part 121 commercial airline they calculate takeoff performance so that if they lose a engine at the most critical point in the takeoff roll they can either stop on the remaining runway or continue the takeoff safely. Part 91 charter operators are not required to do that and can calculate performance based on both engines. G Are you freakin kidding me?!?!? How would I know? VIAirliks has specific flight times. I have no idea what the temperature is when I land. It’s usually warmer than where I came from.
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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Here is a report of a C402 landing at Virgin Gorda with a 500 foot longer runway.
Narrative: After landing on runway 03 at Virgin Gorda Airport, the pilot was unable to stop the aircraft on the runway and it came to rest on a bank at the edge of the ramp. The aircraft was extensively damaged but none of the nine occupants, including the pilot, were injured.
Conclusions The aircraft landed at Virgin Gorda in conditions (of weight, altitude, temperature and surface condition) where the landing distance required was very close to the landing distance available and without the required safety margin. Hence, when the performance of the brakes was not as expected, probably due to debris in the braking system, the aircraft could not be stopped on the runway. Analysis of the maintenance state of the aircraft involved in this accident indicated that the maintenance capability, processes and planning of its operator were not consistent with the standards expected in conducting international passenger charter services. This appeared also to be the case for the operational procedures and data management.
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Re: Fly Bode Caribbean Air Charter
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I hear ya. But how many flights has the C402 had with no issues? They have daily scheduled flights. I get that flying in general is somewhat of a gamble. They are built and flown by humans. Things are gonna happen. But not one flight into Anegada did I ever get that "oh crap" moment.
I'm not disputing your assessment. You certainly know aircraft better than I. But from someone who doesn't, how am I to know when booking a flight that the aircraft is at its max landing length? As a consumer I have to assume the airline has deemed it safe. Until tonight I never would have thought different.
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