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Someone died?/Maho Jet Blast
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07/12/2017 09:25 PM
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At Maho???? From jet blast?
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Re: Someone died?
[Re: ruralcarrier]
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07/13/2017 05:56 AM
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Terribly tragic. NY Daily news reported that this was the first fatality ever reported although another person was seriously injured in 2012. Considering the amount of people that are doing this, and the dangers involved, I was surprised that this was the first fatality.
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Re: Someone died?
[Re: ruralcarrier]
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07/13/2017 06:27 AM
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Sorry to hear the sad news. Do you think it would be worthwhile to add protective padding around the concrete?
My wife and I live in St. Maarten during the winter and in the Boston area the rest of the year.
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Re: Someone died?
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07/13/2017 06:58 AM
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Protective padding? Perhaps but how about people use common sense and don't knowingly do stupid and unsafe things.
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Re: Someone died?
[Re: boucharda]
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07/13/2017 08:04 AM
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weeks5051
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boucharda said: After managing an Emergency Department for MANY years I realized there can only be so much done to protect people from themselves.
Tragic event and different but similar situations occur every day everywhere Very True. Yearly on average in the U.S. there are 20 deaths from skydiving, 90 deaths worldwide from scuba diving, and over 700 cycling deaths in the U.S. Should we try to stop people from doing these dangerous activities too?
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Re: Someone died?
[Re: weeks5051]
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07/13/2017 08:25 AM
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weeks5051 said:boucharda said: After managing an Emergency Department for MANY years I realized there can only be so much done to protect people from themselves.
Tragic event and different but similar situations occur every day everywhere Very True. Yearly on average in the U.S. there are 20 deaths from skydiving, 90 deaths worldwide from scuba diving, and over 700 cycling deaths in the U.S. Should we try to stop people from doing these dangerous activities too? Apples and oranges - while dangerous these activities in the hands of those trained and experienced reduce the risks - standing at the fence at Maho is simply dangerous and foolish and requires no special skill - observing the warning signs seems easy enough to me.
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Re: Someone died?
[Re: Bobcat]
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07/13/2017 09:18 AM
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observing the warning signs seems easy enough to me Yup... Look at something as simple as wearing seat belts. You can make it a law, you can put buzzers/verbal reminders in cars and place flashing signs on the highway but most everyday (yesterday in RI) there are stories about people who just decide to make the informed decision not to wear them and perish because of their decision.
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Re: Someone died?/Maho Jet Blast
[Re: blackmercedes]
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07/13/2017 01:11 PM
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So sad for this lady's family that this happened. Even if a person doesn't try to 'ride the fence', we see REALLY stupid behavior there all the time. People literally stand in the road, walk in the road, walk on the concrete barriers, right in front of cars going past, and they are usually half lit. It makes me very nervous to drive down through there when there are a lot of people there, afraid that someone will fall right in front of our car and we will run them down. People seem to have no good sense about them.
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Re: Someone died?
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07/13/2017 01:23 PM
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If most people would think about it (but they don't) The health effects are not good at all from inhaling mass amounts of Jet-A exhaust. I posted a similar post on this years ago on this subject and it was removed for some reason. But It's fact... Sure there are a lot of activities that can be risky and dangerous and you can die from instantly, but usually those things or activities do not include inhaling toxic chemicals. So why expose yourself to this especially when most complain about health issues when someone who is smoking too close to you in a normal setting like a restaurant? Between respiratory and DNA altering issues, Bone and Marrow altering, breathing heavy chemical particulate matter, heavier toxins such as benzene during the heating or burning of Diesel Jet Fuel Increase or almost double in some instances during its exhaust phase. I have met people that have gone almost every day of their trip because of the excitement of something we are not allowed to do at home, for many reasons. My OSHA training spent an hour on this explanation and short term or long term wasn't an issue as opposed to all of the risks associated to this activity. I guess you could call the cruise ship bus tours to that beach "The Black Lung Express" Have I done it myself? Of course I have many times before I truly realized of what can come about from it. Take a look: http://www.steadyhealth.com/articles/the...sues?show_all=1
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Re: Someone died?
[Re: SXMDeepBleu]
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07/13/2017 01:39 PM
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Totally off-topic to this subject, as a quote from that article shows:
"If you are a frequent flier for business or pleasure, should you be worried about jet fuel exposure? People who are exposed to jet fuel vapors only occasionally typically have a chance to recover between flights. For them, problems from jet fuel are likely to be minimal. But if you work at the airport, especially if you work in close proximity to planes, or you live under a flight path, the toxic effects of jet fuel pollution should be a concern for you. Here are seven facts airfield and airport workers and people who live close (within 1 mile/2 km) of airports need to know...."
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Re: Someone died?
[Re: LBI2SXM]
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07/13/2017 01:45 PM
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I have been there when patrols have come by and drove fence people away. I have also seen them come by and flip there lights on via the beach cam. But as soon as they are gone, people go right back to the fence. Condolences to the family that lost their loved one. RIP.
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Re: Someone died?
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07/13/2017 01:46 PM
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For some reason, people ignore the sign and do it anyway. People ignore signs all the time. Signs have no way of enforcing the law or what they are intended for. We dealt with speeding cars and cars not stopping at marked crosswalks all last weekend. Unless there is actual enforcement, the sign is taken as just a suggestion. To Bob Dot...if there could be a heavy clear barrier used as a deflector, you would still be able to see but there would be protection. Yes, it might also cut down on the number of people ($$$$$) and that is probably why it will never be implemented.
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Re: Someone died?
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07/13/2017 02:19 PM
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The point is that we're talking about casual exposure for a few minutes, as opposed to a working environment. Working at an airport has to be one of the most high risk jobs for all kinds of work related injuries and illnesses. Still not really relevant to the topic at hand.
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Re: Someone died?
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07/13/2017 02:26 PM
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Ok, Well I understand your opinion and simply disagree. If you ever have the interest in an 80 hr class/hands-on time to go through training with a full OSHA safety certification as I have, you might have a different or more informed view.
Enjoy your day.
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Re: Someone died?
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07/13/2017 03:43 PM
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So I guess it's safe to do it if you hold your breath. Then your only concerns are keeping grasp of the fence, or getting run over by drunk/distracted drivers
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Re: Someone died?/Maho Jet Blast
[Re: blackmercedes]
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07/13/2017 04:57 PM
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Yes, sad but true. As far as stopping the practice of fence flying, I don't think it's gonna' happen - you just can't fix stupid. And it's not like you can build a fence or a wall there. This was a people draw forty years ago but I don't ever remember seeing people hanging off the fence back in the day.......not to say it didn't happen.
Do you think maybe this thread has gone far enough astray to close it down? Just MHO....... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
Respectfully,
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Re: Someone died?
[Re: Bobcat]
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07/13/2017 05:38 PM
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Bobcat said:weeks5051 said:boucharda said: After managing an Emergency Department for MANY years I realized there can only be so much done to protect people from themselves.
Tragic event and different but similar situations occur every day everywhere Very True. Yearly on average in the U.S. there are 20 deaths from skydiving, 90 deaths worldwide from scuba diving, and over 700 cycling deaths in the U.S. Should we try to stop people from doing these dangerous activities too? Apples and oranges - while dangerous these activities in the hands of those trained and experienced reduce the risks - standing at the fence at Maho is simply dangerous and foolish and requires no special skill - observing the warning signs seems easy enough to me. I disagree. Many cyclists are killed and they have no training. As a matter of fact most of those killed have no training whatsoever. The same thing goes for swimmers at a beach without lifeguards. It's a tourist attraction for a reason. All thrill experiences have an element of danger otherwise it wouldn't be a thrill. And as far as scuba divers and sky divers are concerned, even with their special training, some still die. So it IS apples and apples.
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Re: Someone died?
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weeks5051 said:Bobcat said:weeks5051 said:boucharda said: After managing an Emergency Department for MANY years I realized there can only be so much done to protect people from themselves.
Tragic event and different but similar situations occur every day everywhere Very True. Yearly on average in the U.S. there are 20 deaths from skydiving, 90 deaths worldwide from scuba diving, and over 700 cycling deaths in the U.S. Should we try to stop people from doing these dangerous activities too? Apples and oranges - while dangerous these activities in the hands of those trained and experienced reduce the risks - standing at the fence at Maho is simply dangerous and foolish and requires no special skill - observing the warning signs seems easy enough to me. I disagree. Many cyclists are killed and they have no training. As a matter of fact most of those killed have no training whatsoever. The same thing goes for swimmers at a beach without lifeguards. It's a tourist attraction for a reason. All thrill experiences have an element of danger otherwise it wouldn't be a thrill. And as far as scuba divers and sky divers are concerned, even with their special training, some still die. So it IS apples and apples. Cyclists do have a certain skill level, people standing at a fence do not require any - nice try... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Someone died?
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07/13/2017 06:25 PM
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Again, I have to repeat my earlier post, that after all this time, and all the people who have participated, this was the first fatality. Not saying anything good or bad, but what other activity has less fatalities than fence grabbing at Maho? I've been going to SXM for almost 15 years, and have never done it. Won't start now. This tragic death will not prevent people from doing it, perhaps it is the "Can't happen to me" syndrome.
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