Pat - You may be right about 80s and you guys were there before us, so I defer to your memory. I thought it was earlier, but maybe it was post-Luis - 1995 - when they tore down fencing and gate that Association had put in place and then really got more set up. I think that by time we would have seen beach in late 80s that they both were there in some kind of shacks, but I really cannot remember with any certainty. All I can say for sure is that I have no memory of Baie Rouge without both Raymond and Gus there in some form. Of course, more seasoned visitors probably have a better recollection of the times back then. I can state with certainty that the Association felt its legal rights were being violated as soon as any vendors started staking claim to that part of Baie Rouge and have remained severely annoyed at what was established at Baie Rouge ever since. 2005 was quite a big fight that I remember well.